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Tesla’s Model S P85D Scores 103 Out of 100 on Consumer Reports’ Ratings System

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Re: Tesla’s Model S P85D Scores 103 Out of 100 on Consumer Reports’ Ratings System

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Post by johnnyg »

adam12 wrote: post #47
dmix wrote: post #33

This is offtopic but the video of peoples reaction using the 'insane' button in the Model S P85D was some really great marketing for Tesla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpaLgF1uLB8 The feature is a novelty but it makes for great social media bait. I never share links about cars with family/friends but I felt compelled to this time. It's entertaining because the car is completely silent while it pins them back in t…

> great marketing for Tesla Yeah, until someone dies from this sort of reckless driving.

I don't think Telsa providing a given feature set makes them responsible for the misuse of it.

Re: Tesla’s Model S P85D Scores 103 Out of 100 on Consumer Reports’ Ratings System

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Post by Nadya »

mikeash wrote: post #31
eclipxe wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"doesn't have a huge iPad in the dashboard" Why is this a bad thing?

I think people who haven't actually driven one (or haven't driven one beyond a test drive, anyway) think that it's too distracting, too hard to control things while driving, or something along those lines. I had the same concerns initially, but they disappeared after trying it out. It's really well done and not a problem in practice.

If I want to press the fourth button from the left while driving - with a tactile button I can reach, count over the three buttons as my finger slides across them, and press the fourth button. Without removing my eyes from the road.

With touch buttons I need to look at the screen which takes my eyes off the road. Even if it's for 1/2 a second.

1/2 a second is the cause of many accidents. I'd prefer having physical buttons. Ironically, you lose your sense of touch on a touch screen.

Re: Tesla’s Model S P85D Scores 103 Out of 100 on Consumer Reports’ Ratings System

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Post by adam12 »

johnnyg wrote: post #51
adam12 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> great marketing for Tesla Yeah, until someone dies from this sort of reckless driving.

I don't think Telsa providing a given feature set makes them responsible for the misuse of it.

Of course it doesn't make them responsible. I just don't think someone should be driving like that unless they are on a test track.

Re: Tesla’s Model S P85D Scores 103 Out of 100 on Consumer Reports’ Ratings System

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Post by chabby »

Just my 2 cents: I've driven both a P85D and a 2014 Porsche 911 4S cabriolet fairly extensively. Guess which one I decided to buy?

The Porsche. These might not be two cars that are commonly cross-shopped, and the Tesla does beat the Porsche to 60 mph. Still, the Porsche was clearly the winner in just about every other way in my estimation. Anyone else have a similar experience?

Re: Tesla’s Model S P85D Scores 103 Out of 100 on Consumer Reports’ Ratings System

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Post by mikeash »

kylec wrote: post #45
vvanders wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is why I'll take the Tesla every single time.

The P85D is, no question, stupendously fast 0-60. But is that really all you care about when driving a car? I recently was shopping for a performance car and the Tesla was never even a consideration because of all the other limitations (range, charging availability, etc). As something to show off with, the Tesla wows and amazes people. As a car to drive on a daily basis, I think it is too compromised.

Do you drive more than 250 miles in a day on a regular basis? When you do drive that far, do you do it on routes that aren't covered by Tesla's Supercharger network?

As a daily driver, the Tesla is easier to deal with than a normal car. With a normal car, you have to worry about how much gas you have, when and where you'll stop to fill up, etc. My Model S is full in the morning every time.

For trips that exceed the range available on a single charge you do have to think a little bit more. But for the vast majority of destinations, it's not hard. If you're going to be regularly driving to a place without adequate charging infrastructure then yes, the Tesla is not for you, but that's a relatively small number of people.

When you say, "range, charging availability, etc." what does the "etc." refer to? I would not even put charging availability on that list. Range is a limitation for sure, although not a terribly bad one, but I can't think of anything else.

Re: Tesla’s Model S P85D Scores 103 Out of 100 on Consumer Reports’ Ratings System

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Post by vvanders »

kylec wrote: post #45
vvanders wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is why I'll take the Tesla every single time.

The P85D is, no question, stupendously fast 0-60. But is that really all you care about when driving a car? I recently was shopping for a performance car and the Tesla was never even a consideration because of all the other limitations (range, charging availability, etc). As something to show off with, the Tesla wows and amazes people. As a car to drive on a daily basis, I think it is too compromised.

It was more a dig in jest at the usual 320i/328i BMW owner who buys it more for the image then any interest in performance.

(full disclosure I own an 85D and don't find anything you listed very limiting).

Re: Tesla’s Model S P85D Scores 103 Out of 100 on Consumer Reports’ Ratings System

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Post by sgustard »

darkerside wrote: post #10
dragontamer wrote: post #3

That is frankly ridiculous. Tesla's previous car getting 99/100 (which never happened before) wasn't enough, so now they push 103/100? I understand that its a great car, but if the consumer report scale is out of 100, then it should stay out of 100. Pushing their scale beyond the boundary causes a "Spinal tap" situation and I fail to take the review seriously anymore. It goes up to 11 belongs in comedy movies, not se…

Blame TechCrunch for the blogspammy headline. The original Consumer Reports review states clearly that it scored a 103 based on their existing framework, which they adjusted in lieu of that fact. | In rating it, however, we faced a quandary: The Tesla initially scored 103 in the Consumer Reports' Ratings system, which by definition doesn’t go past 100. The car set a new benchmark, so we had to make changes to our sco…

They might think about future-proofing their rating system while they're tweaking it. By scoring it 100 they have calibrated the P85D as the new "perfect", even while admitting "it has imperfections." What will its score be when future, better cars come along and they have to recalibrate those to 100?

Re: Tesla’s Model S P85D Scores 103 Out of 100 on Consumer Reports’ Ratings System

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Post by dublinben »

kylec wrote: post #45
vvanders wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is why I'll take the Tesla every single time.

The P85D is, no question, stupendously fast 0-60. But is that really all you care about when driving a car? I recently was shopping for a performance car and the Tesla was never even a consideration because of all the other limitations (range, charging availability, etc). As something to show off with, the Tesla wows and amazes people. As a car to drive on a daily basis, I think it is too compromised.

Nearly all drivers go less than 50 miles in any given day. Trips longer than 70 miles (still well within the range of a Tesla) make up one percent of trips.

A premium electric car like the Tesla is perfectly capable of being a daily driver for essentially anyone.

Re: Tesla’s Model S P85D Scores 103 Out of 100 on Consumer Reports’ Ratings System

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Post by mikeash »

Nadya wrote: post #52
mikeash wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think people who haven't actually driven one (or haven't driven one beyond a test drive, anyway) think that it's too distracting, too hard to control things while driving, or something along those lines. I had the same concerns initially, but they disappeared after trying it out. It's really well done and not a problem in practice.

If I want to press the fourth button from the left while driving - with a tactile button I can reach, count over the three buttons as my finger slides across them, and press the fourth button. Without removing my eyes from the road. With touch buttons I need to look at the screen which takes my eyes off the road . Even if it's for 1/2 a second. 1/2 a second is the cause of many accidents. I'd prefer having physical b…

I understand the objections. I just don't find them to actually apply in the real world.

First, what functions do you actually need to manipulate while driving? Most of that can be done from the steering wheel.

Second, when positions on a touchscreen are consistent you can learn to touch them without staring at them. I often adjust the interior temperature on the touchscreen even though it can be done on the steering wheel, just because I find it to be easier. It can be done out of the corner of my eye with practice.

Re: Tesla’s Model S P85D Scores 103 Out of 100 on Consumer Reports’ Ratings System

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Post by pimlottc »

dmix wrote: post #33

This is offtopic but the video of peoples reaction using the 'insane' button in the Model S P85D was some really great marketing for Tesla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpaLgF1uLB8 The feature is a novelty but it makes for great social media bait. I never share links about cars with family/friends but I felt compelled to this time. It's entertaining because the car is completely silent while it pins them back in t…

One thing that bugs me about that video - are they really going 60-70 mph on normal city streets?
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