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Re: Fix Windows 10

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Post by yuhong »

hackuser wrote: post #74

I expect Microsoft provides their corporate customers with a solution that includes confidentiality and end-user control (i.e., IT department control) of machines. Many business users would not and could not share this info with Microsoft. Instead of trying to discover and disable each confidentiality threat in the consumer version, the best solution probably is to obtain of that corporate version. Likely you also ne…

Yep, Win10 enterprise edition has the no telemetry option for example and it is not difficult to get for businesses who pay for volume licensing (though there is the mandatory software assurance that costs a bit more). It also has other goodies like the Long Term Support Branch for critical systems.

Re: Fix Windows 10

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Post by listic »

pdkl95 wrote: post #95
gcb0 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

and the alternatives are? osX invented all this. MS is just catching up. and apple don't even allow you to disable things. android? chrome alone sends more info than whole windows 10+edge. now, you could say Linux. but sadly your grand mother has no publicly available product she can buy with that OS.

> no publicly available product Yes. Sometimes doing the right thing to protect your rights and the rights of others requires sacrifice . Freedom is not always free (as in beer). As long as you insist that any potential alternative have the same features, you might as well give up. The incumbent can always create and market a new "feature" guaranteeing any alternative is always playing catch-up. As time goes on, the…

Thanks for bringing SGX into my attention!

I thought I was more or less following the development of PC hardware, but I never heard of this one, and it's not very new already. Wikipedia article [1] on the subject is surprisingly concise, and only quotes Intel homepage on the subject.

Do you have any pointers to independent discussion or analysis of this technology? As with all such new technologies, it might require more than just reading its name or manufacturer's description to understand its implications: like e.g. with Trusted Execution Technology, it takes some research to form an opinion: is it actually about me, the computer's user, or someone else who is going to trust this computer?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_Guard_Extensions

Re: Fix Windows 10

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Post by frik »

sliverstorm wrote: post #181
frik wrote: post #176

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A browser is one thing, it's just an application. The OS is the lowest layer, if you can't control it, you can't trust it. And there is always the option to stop the update in Chrome. If you don't run the OS behind a hardware firewall that can scramble SSL, Win10 will send a lot of data unfiltered and non-optional to its vendor - unacceptable for an operating system (the lowest layer).

if you can't control it, you can't trust it Exactly, which is why Microsoft and enterprise IT like to control the updates. If they can't control the updates, they can't trust the computer! Unpatched, dated, or even EoL OS versions has been a big problem for a long time, and it's arguably even more serious of an issue than dated versions of Chrome. You want that control for yourself, and I can relate to that, but 99%…

Exactly, which is why Microsoft and enterprise IT like to control the updates

Neither enterprise IT nor consumers can control it, do you get it? Only with the very expensive "Enterprise Long Term Servicing Branch" License, which only a small group of large corporations will be able to license. No other operating system exists that behave in such a way. It's a "Windows as a Service", but many still want a traditional onprimise Windows, the same goes for all other Microsoft software incl. Office and Sharepoint.

Re: Fix Windows 10

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Post by gcb0 »

JustSomeNobody wrote: post #173
gcb0 wrote: post #147

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you can buy ONE laptop with Linux from dell. and even that one is advertised only to developers.

https://system76.com/laptops/?utm_source=google_search&utm_m... http://www8.hp.com/us/en/campaigns/ubuntu/index.html

i clicked your HP link. (because the 76 ones are only desktop computers disguised as laptops, really)

then clicked the laptops link.

then clicked every single one of the models and clicked customize.

every single one of the options were Windows 7, 8, 10. Only.

did you manage to go from that page to any actual product you could just enter your credit card and receive with ubuntu?

PS: i should tell you that i'm not being pessimistic. just realistic. My current personal computer is an Asus eeepc-1000, from 2007 or so. the very first netbook with SSD that shipped with linux. i replaced the asus distro garbage with debian right away, but i got it with linux for the meaning of it.

Re: Fix Windows 10

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Post by Aissen »

Aissen wrote: post #180

The "Fix Firefox" version: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-stop-firefox-making...

Replying to self: Microsoft would have more credibility (especially to enterprise users) if they were to provide this kind of one-stop documentation themselves.

Re: Fix Windows 10

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Post by thescrewdriver »

reddit_clone wrote: post #163
thescrewdriver wrote: post #26

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The ironic part is that people have just become accustomed to (or ignorant of) the way data is gathered from your average Android phone. Everyone is upset about Win10, but little attention is given to Android and the associated ecosystem of apps.

Not quite. I do expect more respect for my privacy from my computer OS than I expect from my smart phone OS. My personal computer holds way more sensitive and important information than my smartphone.

That won't be true for everyone. Why should we just accept less privacy?

Re: Fix Windows 10

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Post by drdaeman »

yuhong wrote: post #190
drdaeman wrote: post #125

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> And how do we expect things like Windows Defender or Microsoft's handwriting and voice recognition to improve if we refuse to share back any anonymized information with Microsoft? By opt-in approach and full transparency on what data's sent. Seriously, ask me "hey, can you help us?", provide an option to let me see what data exactly was, being and will be sent (NOT some multi-page legalese with notice that everythi…

How exactly? Would broad categories be enough?

When I said "exactly" I meant an option to see down to exact data packets that were sent while participating in the program. Or, if we're talking about the initial consent - the example of such data packet.

Obviously, they're machine-encoded (binary or XML), so the representation should be modified a bit to be more human-readable.

I don't care that I won't know what most of metrics mean exactly ("magic mumbo-jumbo average time: 0.42us" or some hard-to-read probability matrices), but as far as I can see no raw personal data is being leaked out (my private file information, raw texts typed on keyboard, screenshots - this sort of stuff) it's probably OK. The important part is not me understanding the data sent, but the transparency about the program.

Re: Fix Windows 10

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Post by yuhong »

drdaeman wrote: post #198
yuhong wrote: post #190

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How exactly? Would broad categories be enough?

When I said "exactly" I meant an option to see down to exact data packets that were sent while participating in the program. Or, if we're talking about the initial consent - the example of such data packet. Obviously, they're machine-encoded (binary or XML), so the representation should be modified a bit to be more human-readable. I don't care that I won't know what most of metrics mean exactly ("magic mumbo-jumbo av…

There may be too many of them to do a full list of.

Re: Fix Windows 10

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Post by yuhong »

frik wrote: post #194
sliverstorm wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if you can't control it, you can't trust it Exactly, which is why Microsoft and enterprise IT like to control the updates. If they can't control the updates, they can't trust the computer! Unpatched, dated, or even EoL OS versions has been a big problem for a long time, and it's arguably even more serious of an issue than dated versions of Chrome. You want that control for yourself, and I can relate to that, but 99%…

Exactly, which is why Microsoft and enterprise IT like to control the updates Neither enterprise IT nor consumers can control it, do you get it? Only with the very expensive "Enterprise Long Term Servicing Branch" License, which only a small group of large corporations will be able to license. No other operating system exists that behave in such a way. It's a "Windows as a Service", but many still want a traditional…

Not true, any company who buys Win10 Enterprise with Software Assurance using volume licensing (minimum order is only 5 units) can get access.
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