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Post by TazeTSchnitzel »

[deleted] wrote: post #198
kstrauser wrote: post #152

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I know, right? A kid thinks they're safely researching things that are important to them, but that's not at all true. Statistically, it's almost certain that a kid somewhere has been beaten because of what their parents read in that report. When we're developing new features, we have to take into account ways they'll be twisted and abused. If anyone evaluated this before its development, and they were intellectually…

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> If parents fail to monitor their kids and something "bad" happens (e.g. kid gives out too much personal info, kid reads stuff not age appropriate, etc) then when it is discovered everyone online yells that those parents are "bad" and how "it is up to parents to monitor their kids." In fact this is standard practice whenever online censorship for the sake of kids is discussed ("it is up to the parents to parent!!").

Yes, and surveillance of their every activity is not the way to go about preventing such incidents. Parents need to be able to trust their children and allow them privacy. These incidents should be prevented by talking to children and explaining risks.

> People in this thread arguing that TOOLS shouldn't exist for parents to parent are insane.

No, they aren't insane. Parents should not have the right nor the ability to spy on every single aspect of their children's lives.

There are no circumstances where this is acceptable or ethical.

> You want parents to parents? Well sorry then they need TOOLS to do so.

No they don't. They need knowledge of parenting. Children have been parented for millenia without GPS trackers and Internet surveillance.

Tools are actively detrimental to good parenting. Maintaining complete surveillance of a child's activities destroys any trust they might have in their parents.

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Post by duvet »

Achshar wrote: post #131
coldpie wrote: post #122

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If you're familiar with the command line, then the only OS I like personally is Arch Linux. You start with nothing more than a Bash shell (seriously, it doesn't even have an installer), install your OS onto a disk with a couple commands, and then install whatever software you want. I install the XFCE desktop environment and Firefox, and go from there. Arch doesn't try to babysit you or do things for you; you will be…

That sounds exactly like what I was looking for. Thanks! I'll have a look.

Make sure to check out the Arch Wiki[1]. If you use DuckDuckGo you can easily search it using !AW.

[1] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Main_page

Re: Updates Make Windows 7 and 8 Spy on You Like Windows 10

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Post by duvet »

coldpie wrote: post #122
Achshar wrote: post #113

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I guess I am not a linux newbi. I know my way around a unix box I just haven't used it as my primary work station ever. So things like compatibility with all the popular stuff comes into play.

If you're familiar with the command line, then the only OS I like personally is Arch Linux. You start with nothing more than a Bash shell (seriously, it doesn't even have an installer), install your OS onto a disk with a couple commands, and then install whatever software you want. I install the XFCE desktop environment and Firefox, and go from there. Arch doesn't try to babysit you or do things for you; you will be…

I second this. I used Arch for around four years and it was a wonderful experience.

Funnily enough, I recently switched back to Windows from Arch. Linux's ecosystem was just too depressing for me. Windows 10 makes me sad though because it had the potential to be great were it not for all the privacy issues.

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Post by cryoshon »

ionised wrote: post #20
tinfoilman wrote: post #18

Brilliant, 2 options I see Never do updates again (which is what I will be doing this evening) and make system perm insecure Or let MS and the NSA rape me for even more data than they already have Go [insert abusive word] yourself Microsoft and to think just last week I got a 3rd windows 7 license because I was planning to stay on 7 long term and not upgrade to 10. Steam hopefully will push linux gaming that i can fi…

If Steam OS becomes a viable desktop gaming OS that plays most, if not all games, I'll drop Windows in a heartbeat.

Same. I would really like it to accommodate old Windows games as well, but that's too much to ask for right now.

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Post by nickysielicki »

bargl wrote: post #170
TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #147

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Abusive parents are going to love this. (And that's terrifying.)

Also parents who's kids accidentally stumble upon a site for predators. It's a tool that can be used for good or bad, but will depend on the parents.

> accidentally stumble upon a site for predators.

So public Minecraft servers, public minecraft forums, and /r/minecraft?

Surely you don't think that kids and pedophiles are meeting on forums specifically designed for it, right? I imagine that kids are preyed on by pedophiles who join spaces that are interesting for kids. How do you prevent that, or even know when it's going on?

The tools they're giving to parents are no more powerful than a browser history.

> It's a tool that can be used for good or bad, but will depend on the parents.

The potential for bad outcomes has been highlighted by other readers. What good can this feasibly do? And is that good worth the potential for abuse and the obvious security concerns that it places in Windows for users who aren't kids? I think not.

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TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #211
[deleted] wrote: post #198

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> If parents fail to monitor their kids and something "bad" happens (e.g. kid gives out too much personal info, kid reads stuff not age appropriate, etc) then when it is discovered everyone online yells that those parents are "bad" and how "it is up to parents to monitor their kids." In fact this is standard practice whenever online censorship for the sake of kids is discussed ("it is up to the parents to parent!!").…

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Post by nickysielicki »

protomyth wrote: post #180
TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #147

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Abusive parents are going to love this. (And that's terrifying.)

I wonder how long until Microsoft has that Target moment[1] and tells a father that his daughter is pregnant. I also wonder what happens if someones medical information leaks via this data gathering. 1) http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/19/magazine/shopping-habits.h...

Thanks for sharing this, that was a great article. Once again, RMS is completely right on a topic: store rewards cards are invasive and allow for significant tracking and you should stop using them if that bothers you.

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Post by protomyth »

[deleted] wrote: post #217
protomyth wrote: post #208

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Probably, but the news is quite full of "zero discussion" parents, plus we are talking about reports that now go to schools with those pesky zero tolerance policies.

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For a company waiting for a liability suit, its not a bad idea to look at the extremes. Plenty of one-and-done lawsuits out there.
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