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Stocks Off Sharply as Market Upheaval Grows

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Re: Stocks Off Sharply as Market Upheaval Grows

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I just can't decide if there will be more blood, or if this is just the start...

There's old traders saying: Don't catch falling knives.

That's because traders are generally flat at the end of the day. They don't have 30 years to wait for that knife to land on a rocketship and end up at the moon.

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That's more or less US anti-communist propaganda. I've been to china once, lived with Chinese Nationals for several years, and currently telecommute with partners in China. There is wide spread support for the party. People do understand that the chinese system is unique, and not necessarily the only government system. They simply believe it is better. Which from a socio-economic outlook it kind of has been for the p…

Counterpoint: I lived in Eastern China from 2011-2013, and the majority of the people I met around my age (early twenties) hated the party. They hated the Great Firewall, hated the censorship and hated the Chengguan ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_Urban_Administrative_and_... ). They just didn't linger on it much as they didn't feel there's anything they could do to change it. Certainly none believed it was "bet…

Nice doc on the younger generation in China: https://vimeo.com/35382219

Re: Stocks Off Sharply as Market Upheaval Grows

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Broadly speaking the US economy is quite healthy and people were expecting a correction in the stock market for some time. Within tech, it will have some negative impact on the plans of some companies as it will be harder to get lofty valuations based on 'fluff'... during such times investors want to see hard facts and real results to back-up value--but that's a broader trend thats been slowly developing for some tim…

Unfunded liabilities (money that is owed, but not currently on-hand) in the United States are said to be greater than $127T: http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2014/01/17/you-think-th... This does not account for unfunded liabilities owed by the states. The situation there is very difficult as well. You also mention that China is rampant with corruption. In my view, with respect to politics and cronyism, I think th…

>Unfunded liabilities (money that is owed, but not currently on-hand) in the United States are said to be greater than $127T:

This is classic one-sided accounting. That money is not vaporized, never to be seen again when it's paid out. It is paid to US citizens as income. Out one pocket, into another.

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Stocks are rebounding. Someone made it off like a bandit this morning.

Disney stock was down almost 10% this morning. HOW POSSIBLY can it be rational for Disney stock to drop 10% because of a single day of rough trading in the Shanghai market, especially given how much Disney has dropped already in the last few months? I considered that the buying opportunity of the year. (knock on wood...)

If you're gonna look at crazy swings, I have an S&P smallcap 600 index tracking ETF that was down 40% at open. The index itself was only down a few percent, just buy that, wait for liquidity to return, and bam 30% ROI in a few minutes. Just had to be quick enough to get in before the halt.

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"Historically speaking" Historically speaking, when has the Fed kept interest rates at ZERO for 7 years? After pumping QE full throttle at $80B/mo? The economy has been in continuous "recovery" mode since '08, but not much has actually recovered. The market is going to collapse my friend because, historically speaking, we are in dark, uncharted territory and have lost our way back.

Interest rates are nominal; they only matter relative to some equilibrium. The equilibrium interest rate is somewhere close to zero.

On earth, a zero interest rate indicates a sick or at least stalled economy. The rate cannot be held at zero for much longer without risking a deeper debt via evermore unhealthy credit expansion, yet the consequences of raising it, even a little, will likely crush global markets as investors react etc. There is no question this economy is quite sick and has been breathing with aid of the Fed's iron lung so long that it probably can no longer sustain itself without resetting (hard).

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Capitalism at it's finest. The race to the bottom will eventually force someones (possibly everyones) hand. The mechanism that will drive change (either violent/non-violent) is just a matter of who blinks first.

> What are you going on about? If capitalism is a race to the bottom, we would have reached it a long time ago. Only for a long time it had internal pressure (workers demands) and external pressure (the Cold war etc). Else we'd be still with child labor, 14 hours work day and such...

Workers and their demands are part of capitalism, as one of the sides of the labor market.

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> people were expecting a correction in the stock market for some time "People" are expecting a correction 100% of the time, so the forecast is pretty much useless. If it was truly anticipated, it wouldn't happen. Action, like that which occurred at opening this morning, is sheer panic.

I'm interested to hear other people's experiences. I have a 100k trading portfolio and I have sold/bought nothing in the last week. Thoughts on who's doing all this downward trading?

I have about 1/4 as much, mostly from past employee stock purchase plans in big tech. I'm regretting not having sold 6 months ago, but I'm not inclined to sell now either.

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Capitalism at it's finest. The race to the bottom will eventually force someones (possibly everyones) hand. The mechanism that will drive change (either violent/non-violent) is just a matter of who blinks first.

> Capitalism at it's finest. The race to the bottom will eventually What are you going on about? If capitalism is a race to the bottom, we would have reached it a long time ago. Capitalism isn't new. It's been around for a while.

I'm amazed anyone can try to defend a system that has manic-depressive episodes built in as a feature.

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Stocks are rebounding. Someone made it off like a bandit this morning.

Disney stock was down almost 10% this morning. HOW POSSIBLY can it be rational for Disney stock to drop 10% because of a single day of rough trading in the Shanghai market, especially given how much Disney has dropped already in the last few months? I considered that the buying opportunity of the year. (knock on wood...)

>HOW POSSIBLY can it be rational for Disney stock to drop 10%

People being forced to liquidate positions (margin calls, panic) and no buyers.

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