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Here’s what Ashley Madison members have told me

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Re: Here’s what Ashley Madison members have told me

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Post by angersock »

fab13n wrote: post #71
rue wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

‘Serial polygamy’ means a sequence of multiple simultaneous relationships. You mean serial monogamy.

I meant it as an electrical engineering metaphor, where you can string devices in parallel, or in serial one after the other, but where with a few adaptations both can lead to the same practical result. Besides, my whole point is that this behavior constitutes a variant of polygamy, not a variant of monogamy, so I stand by that term. That there's a "serial monogamy" idiom describing it (I just discovered it thanks to…

It's not a variant of polygamy, though. If you were a polygamist and only ever had one partner at a time and weren't looking and courting others then you would be, de facto, practicing monogamy.

If I had a spouse, to whom I was devoted, and they were hit by a bus and killed, and then I had another spouse, who was killed by a falling meteoroid, and then a third spouse, who died of an aneurysm, and finally a fourth who left me because of a reasonable fear of death-by-misfortune--I would still be considered monogamous.

Yours is a very tortured interpretation of what polygamy is.

Re: Here’s what Ashley Madison members have told me

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Post by pjc50 »

gnufied wrote: post #150
SXX wrote: post #146

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Yes because it's nearly impossible to check if it's actually you request removal and not somebody else. Otherwise Steam would have to keep your account data on servers anyway so there is no point in removal procedure. Considering Steam don't ask about any of your personal information (and you can pay using PayPal or even "offline" wallet codes) I would suspect that such feature will be used more for harm than good.

Wait, why do we need special requests for Steam account removal? I would login and delete my account (and as a result immediately logged out I suppose). Steam uses two factor authentication for login and unless someone has got hold of your Steam password and email password, you should be safe.

And what happens when you want to undelete your account, because it was deleted by someone else who had access to your computer? (This will happen)

Would deleting an account enable the associated Steam keys (physical or electronic) to be reused? Or is deleting an account equivalent to putting all your games in a pile and burning them?

Re: Here’s what Ashley Madison members have told me

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Post by lolo_ »

smtddr wrote: post #132
lolo_ wrote: post #25

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I really think you (or a mod) should edit this to not mention the site name. Regardless of what these people have done (or tried to do) let's not spread the misery further by making it easier for people to find this information.

Anyone who even knows HN exists will be tech-savvy enough to find all the sites, or torrents, providing the data without having to read a comment on HN.

Sure, but there's at least the barrier of making the effort to do that, naming the site makes it a google away and if you happen to be in the area it covers it'll be tempting.

It's easier to diet when you don't have a chocolate bar in front of you!

Re: Here’s what Ashley Madison members have told me

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Post by logfromblammo »

iso8859-1 wrote: post #151
drzaiusapelord wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>How have we come to accept this kind of immoral behavior on the large scale Cheating is legal and doesn't affect me a customer. Its crazy that an entrepreneur forum is obsessed with exposing these men and women. Not too long ago, my dad's generation were saying "A company run by a gay? I'd never do business with such a morally bankrupt pervert!" Meanwhile, my own bosses have said things like, "Hire someone who smoke…

> Cheating is legal No. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adultery#United_States

From the article:

" In the United States, laws vary from state to state. Up until the mid 20th century most US states (especially Southern and Northeastern states) had laws against fornication, adultery or cohabitation. These laws have gradually been abolished or struck down by courts as unconstitutional.[138][139][140]"

If the law making it illegal is unconstitutional, it's legal.

Re: Here’s what Ashley Madison members have told me

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Post by kitd »

sarciszewski wrote: post #107

I'm still taken aback that a church would comb through the dump and email peoples' spouses. Just terrible.

Yeah, that one has been bugging me all day for some reason. The utter hypocrisy!

Of course, it may be that she is just a paranoid spouse but needs to concoct a reason to look up her husband's email without sounding too paranoid.

Either way, it's sad beyond belief.

Re: Here’s what Ashley Madison members have told me

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Post by SXX »

gnufied wrote: post #150
SXX wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes because it's nearly impossible to check if it's actually you request removal and not somebody else. Otherwise Steam would have to keep your account data on servers anyway so there is no point in removal procedure. Considering Steam don't ask about any of your personal information (and you can pay using PayPal or even "offline" wallet codes) I would suspect that such feature will be used more for harm than good.

Wait, why do we need special requests for Steam account removal? I would login and delete my account (and as a result immediately logged out I suppose). Steam uses two factor authentication for login and unless someone has got hold of your Steam password and email password, you should be safe.

Two-factor authentication with email doesn't actually help to average user at all. When Steam account password is stolen then email password is likely too.

Re: Here’s what Ashley Madison members have told me

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Post by SXX »

Karunamon wrote: post #154
SXX wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes because it's nearly impossible to check if it's actually you request removal and not somebody else. Otherwise Steam would have to keep your account data on servers anyway so there is no point in removal procedure. Considering Steam don't ask about any of your personal information (and you can pay using PayPal or even "offline" wallet codes) I would suspect that such feature will be used more for harm than good.

Valve is known for asking for PII for things such as recovering accounts that have been hacked (to wit: fax in your driver's license or other photo id and a physical CD key from one of your registered games)

In same time Steam support accounts are completely independent from Steam store accounts. Anyway my point is: Steam is not dating website or social network that collect tons of your personal information.

By not having account deletion procedure they don't hurt anyone's privacy, but just save average user from one more possible pain in ass for no reason (because they wouldn't be able to delete accounts for real anyway).

Re: Here’s what Ashley Madison members have told me

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Post by adriand »

Lawtonfogle wrote: post #112
adriand wrote: post #68

I'm not religious, but I think the appropriate quote here is: "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone."

Why would it be appropriate here when very few people hold such a view? A lot of people say they don't judge others and think judging others is wrong, but they are always limited in scope to some subset of judgments. They will often be quick to judge a thief or worse who is on the stand. In the original story this quote comes from, the one guilty was to be stoned to death because they had committed a crime deserving…

> the one guilty was to be stoned to death because they had committed a crime deserving the death penalty. In comparison to crimes with similar punishment today, how many would say to not judge a murderer unless you are blameless?

Surely you are aware that the "crime deserving the death penalty", in this instance, was the "crime" of adultery. Based on that, I don't think your line of questioning holds up.

Re: Here’s what Ashley Madison members have told me

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Post by Frondo »

drzaiusapelord wrote: post #117
transfire wrote: post #36

Anyone notice that the media is eating this up? But let me tell you the media also lent its support to this website. I was watching CNBC a few years ago and they had the CEO of Ashley Madison on and had a great time talking about their "brilliant business model", and how great the site was. No one seemed morally repulsed then. Well I was curious just from a business perspective (and curious how many people would actu…

>How have we come to accept this kind of immoral behavior on the large scale Cheating is legal and doesn't affect me a customer. Its crazy that an entrepreneur forum is obsessed with exposing these men and women. Not too long ago, my dad's generation were saying "A company run by a gay? I'd never do business with such a morally bankrupt pervert!" Meanwhile, my own bosses have said things like, "Hire someone who smoke…

I care about cheating because it tells me that the person is OK with lying to people close to them. If they're OK lying to their spouse, my concern is that they're also OK lying to a customer.

If people want to have an open marriage or practice polyamory, fine, that's entirely up to them.

The deception is the thing here that is problematic.

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