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as a sidenote I encourage all people with talent to leave countries with suppressive regimes. I think they should be erased from their position. One way to do that is to encourage everyone to leave their country. One can argue that staying in a bad country may one day help to build it up again, but on the other hand, nothing hurts bad people in power more than complete brain drain.

I've read that it's the wealthy who are leaving China. Or buying second homes, anyway.

Re: “Two days ago the police came to me and wanted me to stop working on this”

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oh,this seems to be a controversial question.The point is how to regard GFW in China.To be honest,every countries has its censorship.However,the point is GFW in china is opaque,which is not accepted.A man has rights to know what he want to know,and for gov,managing should be public.As for the author of shadowsocks,it is very sorrowful that she is asked to stop his work,which helps many Chinese people.For developers,this is what their work needs;for users,this is chances to see the real Internet.Remember everyone does not want to oppose gov,they just want to see something useful for their jobs,which also includes some politic news against Chinese gov.

Re: “Two days ago the police came to me and wanted me to stop working on this”

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post #444

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I don't understand, who can afford US$1000 per month? I'm assuming only medium-large businesses, so do they divide up these "international lines" among their employees or something? Can these employees also use these lines at home, or only in the office?

It's for business of course, mainly international companies I guess. Local companies don't need to cross the firewall. Employees can only use these lines in the office. Actually most Chinese are not aware of the existence of the Great Firewall (GFW), really bad.

In the tech field, everyone is very very aware. I can't speak about other fields though. In my experience, pretty much anyone who is middle class or above knows about it. Granted middle class and above is only about 300 million of the almost 1.4 billion people -- so very much a minority. Granted China is huge and I mainly move in tech circles so YMMV.

It's not just international companies. Chinese companies are all about going overseas now. China is now a next exporter of investment. Plus it seems every company with an app that has a moderate amount of success wants to reach Chinese outside of the China -- they have more money -- and so need to integrate with blocked services like FB. And exporting Chinese online games to other developing nations is really taking off.

Re: “Two days ago the police came to me and wanted me to stop working on this”

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post #325

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And let's not forget BlueCoat. These are our colleagues designing and implementing these tools of oppression. We should ask them why they exercise their talents in this way.

They probably appreciate having their family alive...or something. It'd be better if our colleagues who don't have their hands and relatives tied to create and proliferate liberating software.

Are you saying that Blue Coat (based in Sunnyvale, California) develops censorship tools in order to keep their family alive? Who is threatening them?

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And their rate of actual shootings and deaths by firearm is much smaller, which is the actual relevant number

Only because they don't have huge ghettos with gang problems. It's basically a demographics issue.

Or because Canadians try to use their guns for hunting animals.

Re: “Two days ago the police came to me and wanted me to stop working on this”

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post #199

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Go there, they welcome guys like you. See, I am not necessarily talking about the USA as I am from Europe. But I value the universal right of the western world for free expression very much. There is no such thing as the perfect country, but I firmly believe that you should have the right to freely discuss shortcomings and solution. This is given in the USA as well as in Europe. You will not have that possibility in…

The 'universal right of ... free expression' that you mention is not quite universal. One does not simply have the right to declare that all members of [insert group] should be [insert unpleasant fate's verb's past participle]: there happen to be hate speech laws... similar situation for slander. That's all very well, but then one finds that anti-Iraq War activists have those same provisions used upon them. What's to…

The fact that you can't legally say anything any time you want does not imply that there is no legally protected right to free expression. It isn't a slippery slope to a dictatorship.

"We should gas all the Jews, rise up with me" isn't just free expression. It is also an act with predictable consequences.

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post #325
post #253

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Allegedly it's mostly or at least originally Cisco's technology: https://insidersurveillance.com/cisco-huawei-and-semptian-a-... .

And let's not forget BlueCoat. These are our colleagues designing and implementing these tools of oppression. We should ask them why they exercise their talents in this way.

It doesn't take much to motivate someone to do it. A paycheck is enough 99.99% of the time.

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post #428

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You are missing a few sources. 14 to be exact.

? All of these statements are easily checked out by googling. Listing sources is a pointless formality. (not stating that I think they're all accurate, but I do agree with the overall point, and I am very equipped to investigate and adjust the details.)

"Has a rapidly adaptive culture, able to implement changes at a fast pace despite its immense scale."

"A leader in freedom of speech, press freedom [...]"

"Where you have more opportunities than in any other nation"

Are these your idea of a self-evident statement?

Re: “Two days ago the police came to me and wanted me to stop working on this”

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post #211

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Are you using a commercial OpenVPN provider, or bootstrapping your own OpenVPN proxy like the grandparent poster? That may make a significant difference.

both . in either case scenario was same , and most of my friends (which most of them are in CS industry ) have same experience . I used to use commercial openvpn provider , and after a while I config my own openvpn server in my own vps . they both lose connection after 2 3 min. right now I am using shadowsocks and I have other options in case of something goes wrong.

To answer your question, OpenVPN is no problem at most ISPs in Canada or the United States. The only ones I have heard of that restrict VPN use from home just want to charge you more money for their "business" service instead of "home".
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