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Re: OnHub

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Post by yc1010 »

kalleboo wrote: post #504
yc1010 wrote: post #381

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"Please note that some features may not function with certain privacy settings turned off, and some information (such as the association of your Google Account to your OnHub) is stored by Google even if all privacy controls are turned off" I am sticking with my Asus AC66U which has more features and is also cheaper than this Google device http://amzn.com/B008ABOJKS

I'd trust the Google device more simply because Google is better at software. With hardware companies like Asus you get routers full of terrible, insecure software. http://www.securityweek.com/asus-routers-plagued-command-exe... Although I'm sure you're using DD-WRT or something...

That was patched within hours of the exploit coming out, hell I even remember seeing an article here on HN frontpage about it

BTW Google is not exactly known for being good at updates of hardware, just look at the mess Android is, especially older phones

Re: OnHub

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Post by edude03 »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #54

The thing that throws me here that others haven't commented on yet... it's built 'in partnership with TP-Link'. TP-Link makes budget hardware, that doesn't last much longer than it's one year warranty. Charging $199 for a TP-Link device sounds... overpriced. If this had been built by ASUS, then maybe they'd have something.

That may be your experience, but I've been using TP-Link as my go to access points for myself and my clients (home and small business) for the past 6 or so years. I've deployed maybe 20 APs in that time and none have failed yet.

Re: OnHub

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Post by londonsexplorer »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #571
wstrange wrote: post #531

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"unnecessarily wasteful energy-wise" This is just for setup right? So the energy cost is insanely trivial, hardly worth mentioning.

I'm making a general point here. In case of this router, one-time expense is indeed hardly worth mentioning. I just dislike the whole trend.

The general point is "local direct communication is hard and unreliable". Your phone falls back to 3G - connection broken. You're on "HouseWifi" and the other device is on "HouseWifi_5Ghz" - connection broken. You have a router with a guest mode and stops guests accessing the local LAN - guest can't print or chromecast or whatever.

Re: OnHub

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Post by moe »

realityking wrote: post #597
moe wrote: post #594

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And still, the HN crowd uses Gmail a lot. Ditching GMail changes nothing about your privacy situation. An E-Mail is a postcard. Sending a postcard via DHL instead of USPS doesn't make it any more confidential, even if you happen to be the owner of DHL.

You're not wrong, but you're not right either. Disregarding the (slow) advancements of E-Mail encryption (DANE), and the fact that's desireable that no one company has your data. The big point is that it's fair to assume that everybody has access to your mails while in transit, but using gmail Google has access to all your mails at rest.

There is no point worrying about your e-mail "at rest" when everyone has already seen it in transit.

Re: OnHub

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Post by Amanjeev »

Tepix wrote: post #580
WA wrote: post #572

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And still, the HN crowd uses Gmail a lot. Here's the most technical crowd on the planet and people are obsessed with Gmail as if it was impossible to get email to work by any other means. Furthermore, I will never understand why people would use Gmail, if there's IMAP and hundreds of email clients to choose from. Same is true for Google Reader, that apparently caused a lot of buzz when it went away. Never understood…

Agreed. Even if Gmail is superior in some regards (I don't know - is it? There must be a reason so many people use it), as a tech savvy person I consider it a matter of pride (and privacy of course) to run my own mailserver with project like Sovereign https://github.com/sovereign/sovereign

I have been thinking of doing this for a while. Thanks for sharing https://github.com/sovereign/sovereign. Is that all one needs (whatever if mentioned on the README)?

Re: OnHub

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Post by Killswitch »

zaroth wrote: post #570
Killswitch wrote: post #405

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It allows configuring while not near it too, to check what's wrong with it while at the office. Bluetooth doesn't extend that far.

If you can debug the device remotely, you can debug the device remotely without trusting a third party. There's absolutely no reason your private home router should be a slave to whatever remote configuration, monitoring, or intercept that some third party may be under legal orders to implement. IMO these devices are nothing but parasites. On the positive side, Google has no track record with selling this kind of dev…

Google Fiber is one of the most wanted things in the tech world. You think having your traffic go through their router is bad? I don't even want to know how you'd feel about every internet thing you do being on their network.

Re: OnHub

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Post by Albright »

WA wrote: post #576
greghill wrote: post #575

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Is the search as good or as fast at gmail on these IMAP clients? I used the mail app for iPhone for a while and it sure isn't.

I use Mail on OS X and it is good enough for my purpose. Could certainly be a bit more sophisticated, but most of the time, it works. I like to have a real email client for my mails and not use a web app. There might be dedicated search engines for emails though, if search is very important. See, if you use search a lot and Google has the superior product for your use case, that's totally fine. But I guess most peopl…

I'm with you here - I also find OS X's Mail plenty "good enough," including for search. And it works great for connecting to Google Mail accounts via IMAP…

Re: OnHub

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Post by Albright »

VikingCoder wrote: post #591
nota_bene wrote: post #564

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Spot on. I don't get it. It's become so obvious and people still seem to categorically refuse to admit the elephant in the room and to act upon it. It's as if everybody was in some kind of unbreakable state of permanent cognitive paralysis.

How do you propose the common person act upon it? Don't get a Google Router. Okay. Don't use Google Fiber. Well, shucks - there's not a lot of 1,000 megabit ISPs in my area. Don't use a Chromebook. Okay. What virus scanner should I install, then? And where should I store my data for backup? And didn't we hear that Microsoft tried to have Windows 10 phone home every damn keystroke or something? Google browser. Fair en…

At least by using a non-Google "free" mail service, file storage service, etc, you're distributing your mineable information among competing companies instead of handing it all over to a single entity. Or, you can do as I do and just find a reputable service you can just pay and not worry about it. (I pay Zoho $24 a year to host my mail.)

> What, the Apple computer, Apple router, Apple browser, Apple Mail, and Siri?

The difference between Apple's services and Google's equivalents is that Apple makes its money by selling you the boxes that the services run on - it doesn't directly profit on the services themselves. For Google, the service is the product, so if they can't make you pay for the service, then it has all incentive to data mine it for profit.

Re: OnHub

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Post by VikingCoder »

Albright wrote: post #608
VikingCoder wrote: post #591

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How do you propose the common person act upon it? Don't get a Google Router. Okay. Don't use Google Fiber. Well, shucks - there's not a lot of 1,000 megabit ISPs in my area. Don't use a Chromebook. Okay. What virus scanner should I install, then? And where should I store my data for backup? And didn't we hear that Microsoft tried to have Windows 10 phone home every damn keystroke or something? Google browser. Fair en…

At least by using a non-Google "free" mail service, file storage service, etc, you're distributing your mineable information among competing companies instead of handing it all over to a single entity. Or, you can do as I do and just find a reputable service you can just pay and not worry about it. (I pay Zoho $24 a year to host my mail.) > What, the Apple computer, Apple router, Apple browser, Apple Mail, and Siri?…

I fail to see how copying my data to more companies reduces my attack surface.

> all incentive to data mine it for profit.

Yes, and it has all incentive to protect my privacy, because if they screw that up, they lose all of my business, and all of everyone else's business, too.

Re: OnHub

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Post by fastest963 »

fweespeech wrote: post #67
adriancooney wrote: post #3

Very interesting. From looking at the specs, it looks like they're packaging a server and marketing it as a router. The configuration app is a very nice touch, routers have always a pain to configure. I'd love to stick this in my apartment (even though I can only receive a maximum of 10mb/s). As a side note, I'm surprised this isn't marketed alongside the Nest branch. It really has the look and feel of Nest products…

> routers have always a pain to configure Eh? You must buy some shitty routers, no offense. Compared to the rest of the market, paying $200 for a router isn't competitive. It just is not worth it given Google's "eh-we-will-do-it-and-stop-if-people-complain/sue" mindset. ---- To Melvin, since I'm submitting to fast: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B013ALA9LA?ref=spks_0_0_2170510902&... > OnHub Wireless Router from Google and…

I have a Ubiquiti AC access point at home and the only thing I could see the OnHub doing better is the auto-sensing other networks and working around them. I'm not sure how that would work yet since changing channels would kick everyone off wifi for a second but the Ubiquiti "auto" channel is only changed/detected at boot (probably for the reason I just mentioned).
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