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LA is dumping millions of plastic balls into its reservoir to tackle the drought

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Re: LA is dumping millions of plastic balls into its reservoir to tackle the drought

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black is best suitable color to deflect UV rays.

Now you just said the opposite of what intuition suggests without any evidence, or even argument. Please elaborate and don't just heat up the discussion!

UV + Chlorine = Bromide

Re: LA is dumping millions of plastic balls into its reservoir to tackle the drought

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They're not dumping plastic balls in order to tackle the drought, they're being dumped because the EPA mandated that all reservoirs be covered. Direct sunlight will cause bromide and chlorine in the water to mix into bromate, a known carcinogen, and the EPA wants to prevent buildup of this compound in the drinking water supply. Covering the reservoir with a tarp is too expensive (costing over $300 million) and plasti…

doesn't the plastic + sunlight + heat combination release dangerous chemicals in the water? also, why are they black, doesn't that attract more heat?

They don't care that much about heat, they care more about sunlight not reaching the water, which black balls are more effective at.

Re: LA is dumping millions of plastic balls into its reservoir to tackle the drought

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They're not dumping plastic balls in order to tackle the drought, they're being dumped because the EPA mandated that all reservoirs be covered. Direct sunlight will cause bromide and chlorine in the water to mix into bromate, a known carcinogen, and the EPA wants to prevent buildup of this compound in the drinking water supply. Covering the reservoir with a tarp is too expensive (costing over $300 million) and plasti…

> Covering the reservoir with a tarp is too expensive (costing over $300 million) and plastic balls are a much cheaper option. This is what I don't get in this story. How on Earth are plastic balls cheaper than just covering the thing? One would think that a tarp would use less material and be easier to manufacture than the equivalent number of plastic balls. EDIT: Thanks for all your answers. I guess the heatwaves w…

Will tarp be a single piece or multiple pieces? What's the weight of the tarp? how do you make sure it's on the surface? Or do you need a support structure to keep it above the surface (say a meter etc.)? Will it have holes to drain? Will holes be sturdy enough in the long run? etc...

Re: LA is dumping millions of plastic balls into its reservoir to tackle the drought

#34
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was the article edited after you read it? > And the primary reason for deploying the hollow balls is more to protect the quality of the water rather than to simply stop it evaporating. In the reservoir water, the naturally occurring bromide was mixing with sunlight and chlorine (added to disinfect drinking water) to create dangerous levels of the the carcinogen bromate. Shade balls should stop that harmful chemical r…

Is there any reason why you guys don't have your reservoirs underground? It seems to me that that would solve a lot of problems.

They're pretty hard to dig. Outside resivour can be made by damming a mountain valley and filling it in.

Re: LA is dumping millions of plastic balls into its reservoir to tackle the drought

#35
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

doesn't the plastic + sunlight + heat combination release dangerous chemicals in the water? also, why are they black, doesn't that attract more heat?

That's what I thought, too. Shiny silver balls would reflect even more light, and look super-cool!

And they'd sink

Re: LA is dumping millions of plastic balls into its reservoir to tackle the drought

#36
I wouldn't be surprised if the balls increased the evaporation rate, for the simple reason that it will increase the surface area of the water (the balls will rotate in the water, bringing wet surfaces up). Black balls will also heat up more, causing more evaporation.

Re: LA is dumping millions of plastic balls into its reservoir to tackle the drought

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Covering the reservoir with a tarp is too expensive (costing over $300 million) and plastic balls are a much cheaper option. This is what I don't get in this story. How on Earth are plastic balls cheaper than just covering the thing? One would think that a tarp would use less material and be easier to manufacture than the equivalent number of plastic balls. EDIT: Thanks for all your answers. I guess the heatwaves w…

> One would think that a tarp would use less material and be easier to manufacture than the equivalent number of plastic balls. How do you suspend the tarp? What about when it rains on the tarp, increasing its weight substantially? Repair the tarp when sections get damaged? UV resistance over its lifetime? Using barges/boats and dragging it from shore-to-shore is very slow going, and any suitably durable tarp (i.e. w…

Repair, weight, suspension and deployment seems like the hardest issues to tackle.

The tarp would ideally need to be reflective, like a white roof on modern buildings. The rain issue is the easiest one to solve, since the tarp could be slightly perforated to allow drainage.

I wonder if a permanent structure over the lake would be easier than a tarp? Like literally building a roof.

Either way the balls seem like a solid approach.

Re: LA is dumping millions of plastic balls into its reservoir to tackle the drought

#38
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They're not dumping plastic balls in order to tackle the drought, they're being dumped because the EPA mandated that all reservoirs be covered. Direct sunlight will cause bromide and chlorine in the water to mix into bromate, a known carcinogen, and the EPA wants to prevent buildup of this compound in the drinking water supply. Covering the reservoir with a tarp is too expensive (costing over $300 million) and plasti…

> Covering the reservoir with a tarp is too expensive (costing over $300 million) and plastic balls are a much cheaper option. This is what I don't get in this story. How on Earth are plastic balls cheaper than just covering the thing? One would think that a tarp would use less material and be easier to manufacture than the equivalent number of plastic balls. EDIT: Thanks for all your answers. I guess the heatwaves w…

I guess that the area to cover is very wide, and having a tarp that size can be expensive. And then you still have to manage it in order to tolerate the weight of rain water, leaves and sand that would eventually gather upon it.

Re: LA is dumping millions of plastic balls into its reservoir to tackle the drought

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They're not dumping plastic balls in order to tackle the drought, they're being dumped because the EPA mandated that all reservoirs be covered. Direct sunlight will cause bromide and chlorine in the water to mix into bromate, a known carcinogen, and the EPA wants to prevent buildup of this compound in the drinking water supply. Covering the reservoir with a tarp is too expensive (costing over $300 million) and plasti…

Was the article edited after you read it? > And the primary reason for deploying the hollow balls is more to protect the quality of the water rather than to simply stop it evaporating. In the reservoir water, the naturally occurring bromide was mixing with sunlight and chlorine (added to disinfect drinking water) to create dangerous levels of the the carcinogen bromate. Shade balls should stop that harmful chemical r…

Well, there is a difference from "we do this" and "we have been mandated to do this", whatever the reason "to do this" might be. I guess that explaining they were forced to cover the reservoir makes me appreciate the solution even more: given an order, they found an intelligent and efficient solution.
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