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Windows 10 phones home when you search your start menu, even with Bing disabled

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Re: Windows 10 phones home when you search your start menu, even with Bing disabled

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Post by almostdvs »

to3m wrote: post #61
Macha wrote: post #33

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This behaviour bit me in the ass in work today. Had a new Mac, just installed Polycom (our video conferencing program), typed Polyc out of habit in spotlight to launch it, ended up on the wikipedia page for polycystic ovarian syndrome...

I rarely use the Spotlight or Start Menu keyboard searching because of stuff like this. If it doesn't reliably produce the right result each time if you only type a small amount of the name - which it doesn't - what's the point? (Call me crazy, but because of this I've come to not mind the basic Windows 8 start screen. It's not as good as the classic start menu, but compared to the Windows 7 one you can at least arra…

I use quicksilver and gnome do and launchy. The searches never worked the way should for me either.

Re: Windows 10 phones home when you search your start menu, even with Bing disabled

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Post by couchand »

z3t4 wrote: post #268
couchand wrote: post #250

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[citation needed]

I currently own a N9 mobile phone, witch is the successor of N900. I had a windows phone before that. And the N9 is superior to Windows phone in all aspects. When Microsoft bought the company (Nokia) they shut down all support for the phone, including SDK, app store, music store, maps, roads and software updates.

So, just to clarify, your first 'it' meant Nokia, and the second 'it' was the N9 phone.

That's not what I was referring to, though. You and Nokia may have seen the N9 as the successor to the N900, but I certainly didn't, and I suspect the Neo900 team didn't, either.

Re: Windows 10 phones home when you search your start menu, even with Bing disabled

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Post by ionised »

scholia wrote: post #260
ionised wrote: post #240

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Can't say I've noticed any issues. That said, I'm not using the Windows Store, Cortana, ModernUI apps, OneDrive or even a Microsoft Account at all so your mileage may vary.

OK. A bit like Hamlet without the prince! I take it you don't believe in app stores, secure apps, AI, deep learning, cloud computing and similar modern rubbish ;-)

You're jumping to a lot of conclusions.

1) I do use app stores (F-Droid, Play etc) but I have no use for the Windows Store. Windows ModernUI apps are basically stripped down versions of more feature-filled desktop applications, so why wouldn't I just use them instead?

2) Secure apps? What does this even mean?

3) I love AI. I play games, so I have to.

4) Again, not even sure what you're suggesting.

5) I do use cloud services. Just not Microsoft, Google or Apple ones.

6) Modern does not immediately equate to good. This kind of thinking is naive.

My Windows machine is for games and games alone. I have no need or want of any of Microsoft's cloud integration.

Re: Windows 10 phones home when you search your start menu, even with Bing disabled

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Post by scholia »

ionised wrote: post #273
scholia wrote: post #260

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OK. A bit like Hamlet without the prince! I take it you don't believe in app stores, secure apps, AI, deep learning, cloud computing and similar modern rubbish ;-)

You're jumping to a lot of conclusions. 1) I do use app stores (F-Droid, Play etc) but I have no use for the Windows Store. Windows ModernUI apps are basically stripped down versions of more feature-filled desktop applications, so why wouldn't I just use them instead? 2) Secure apps? What does this even mean? 3) I love AI. I play games, so I have to. 4) Again, not even sure what you're suggesting. 5) I do use cloud s…

> My Windows machine is for games and games alone. I have no need or want of any of Microsoft's cloud integration.

Fair enough. You could have skipped the other six points.

> Windows ModernUI apps are basically stripped down versions of more feature-filled desktop applications, so why wouldn't I just use them instead?

Windows ModernUI apps are written to Windows Runtime, not the old Win32 API. This means they are available from a trusted source (not eg Download.com), they are easy to install, can be updated automatically, they are easy to uninstall, they are more controlled than Win32 apps, and they run sandboxed, so they are more secure.

If a ModernUI app does what you need, it would be sensible to run the app rather than a traditional desktop program.

Re: Windows 10 phones home when you search your start menu, even with Bing disabled

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Post by touristtam »

bitmapbrother wrote: post #76

Here's a list of servers Windows 10 contacts on startup. There are probably more, but these are the ones that showed up. BN1WNS2011508.wns.windows.com OneSettings-bn2.metron.live.com.nsatc.net a978.i6g1.akamai.net americas2.notify.windows.com.akadns.net any.edge.bing.com bingads.microsoft.com bl3302.storage.live.com bl3302geo.storage.dkyprod.akadns.net client.wns.windows.com corp.sts.microsoft.com diagnostics.support…

Check this project: https://github.com/10se1ucgo/DisableWinTracking

It seems to list an awful lot more url. Probably after startup though.

Re: Windows 10 phones home when you search your start menu, even with Bing disabled

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Post by throwaway7767 »

RaleyField wrote: post #258
throwaway7767 wrote: post #213

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I can't read your link unfortunately (get an SSL error when trying to connect), but that's interesting, given the sheer amount of trackable requests firefox makes silently in the background (like safe search/content blacklists from google, etc). Based on the goals stated by the iceweasel project, I assume they have not patched those things (as their goal is to be firefox-without-trademarks and nothing more). I'm real…

> See for example all of the patches sent by the Tor Browser developers for various info leaks that have been rejected as they would be inconvenient for average users. I wasn't aware of this, what kinds of leaks are you talking about? Care to supply us with some references?

I don't have a list handy, no, I've just read the discussions on the bugtrackers at the time.

A good place to start investigating if you're really interested: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/2871

That's a list of the original planned features for the TBB. You can clearly see they intended it to be a temporary thing until patches were pushed upstream, but it's still around and still adding new patches to fix leaks. You might try to search for the tickets for the issues above in the mozilla bugtracker and you will see many WONTFIXes.

Re: Windows 10 phones home when you search your start menu, even with Bing disabled

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Post by z3t4 »

couchand wrote: post #272
z3t4 wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I currently own a N9 mobile phone, witch is the successor of N900. I had a windows phone before that. And the N9 is superior to Windows phone in all aspects. When Microsoft bought the company (Nokia) they shut down all support for the phone, including SDK, app store, music store, maps, roads and software updates.

So, just to clarify, your first 'it' meant Nokia, and the second 'it' was the N9 phone. That's not what I was referring to, though. You and Nokia may have seen the N9 as the successor to the N900, but I certainly didn't, and I suspect the Neo900 team didn't, either.

> You could use a feature phone, or an old n900

I'm pretty sure Microsoft killed that one too.

Microsoft's strategy is to literally kill the competitors. They won't afford buying Google or Apple though :P

Re: Windows 10 phones home when you search your start menu, even with Bing disabled

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Post by simoncion »

iancarroll wrote: post #228
simoncion wrote: post #224

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> Meaning the .com is basically just... Sort of, yeah. I can't tell you why you'd want to have a front office/back office split like that, but I could speculate: Domains are cheap, and it might reduce cognitive overhead to have a .com/.net operational split.

Part of it is removing extra data when requesting style sheets and such - there's no need for a browser to send all of the set cookies it has for your web application when it's fetching styles, so people buy separate domains for them.

I'm not a web dev, so pardon my ignorance.

Setting cookies for one third-level subdomain[0] and serving assets from another still sends all of the cookies across when fetching the assets?

[0] e.g. cookie.example.com and assets.example.com

Re: Windows 10 phones home when you search your start menu, even with Bing disabled

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Post by iancarroll »

simoncion wrote: post #278
iancarroll wrote: post #228

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Part of it is removing extra data when requesting style sheets and such - there's no need for a browser to send all of the set cookies it has for your web application when it's fetching styles, so people buy separate domains for them.

I'm not a web dev, so pardon my ignorance. Setting cookies for one third-level subdomain[0] and serving assets from another still sends all of the cookies across when fetching the assets? [0] e.g. cookie.example.com and assets.example.com

The problem is you can't explicitly tell a browser to fetch a cookie from cookie.example.com - and when you have multiple subdomains which rely on the cookie, plus analytics software which sets it for the whole domain, you can't do that.

Re: Windows 10 phones home when you search your start menu, even with Bing disabled

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Post by simoncion »

iancarroll wrote: post #279
simoncion wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a web dev, so pardon my ignorance. Setting cookies for one third-level subdomain[0] and serving assets from another still sends all of the cookies across when fetching the assets? [0] e.g. cookie.example.com and assets.example.com

The problem is you can't explicitly tell a browser to fetch a cookie from cookie.example.com - and when you have multiple subdomains which rely on the cookie, plus analytics software which sets it for the whole domain, you can't do that.

The following isn't snark:

So, is that a "yes" to my question? A "sort of"? A "it's too complicated to summarize"?

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