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Re: GitHub Puts Open Code of Conduct on Pause

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Post by sagichmal »

tptacek wrote: post #110
anon3_ wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you use the phrase "social outrage" or "social justice" as a pejorative, you're part of the problem :) The first thing is to understand it's a problem to simply prima facie discount someone. It is outrage at social things. 9/10 of the people complaining are just trolls who don't even code. The rest are beta males who emasculate themselves playing apart in it. 5 years from now - they're going to risk losing too m…

I resent the implication that "conservatives" are necessarily people who would find the "beta male" trope congenial. I have plenty of conservative friends. None of them buy into this proto-PUA nonsense.

Not all conservatives are red-pillers. But almost all red-pillers are conservatives.

Re: GitHub Puts Open Code of Conduct on Pause

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Post by dang »

anon3_ wrote: post #130
tptacek wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I resent the implication that "conservatives" are necessarily people who would find the "beta male" trope congenial. I have plenty of conservative friends. None of them buy into this proto-PUA nonsense.

A lot of people who understand basic biology may resent associating biology as PUA. > proto-PUA nonsense And what's wrong with getting better at talking girls? Why discount a whole group prima facie? A lot of guys with no clue and deep frustration talking to girls attack PUA without knowing it. I'm interested in seeing why you cast it away.

Please stop.

Re: GitHub Puts Open Code of Conduct on Pause

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Post by 13thLetter »

cmsj wrote: post #90
anon3_ wrote: post #63

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> And what if I did? Learning to ignore things that could unreasonably sour your mood is a valuable skill in life anyway. Life itself doesn't really have a code like proposed. De-escalated depending on the context of the situation. Code of Conduct defines problems and could turn anything funny, innocent, etc. into an excuse to ruin someone's life. 9/10 times it's someone who doesn't program (an Adria Richards, Shanle…

-1. Implies lines of code is the only possible contribution one can make.

What do the Shanley Kanes of the world contribute?

Re: GitHub Puts Open Code of Conduct on Pause

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Post by 13thLetter »

rndgermandude wrote: post #80
iLoch wrote: post #73

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I'm probably going to burn myself here, we'll see. It seems to be written to protect minorities from majorities, as opposed to protecting everyone equally. For example they mention that they will not be handling complaints related to "reverse-isms" such as "reverse-racism" which is actually just racism. And this is coming from a CoC which is designed to be adopted by projects. Their argument is that "straight white m…

To give a little context, it reads: > We will not act on complaints regarding: ‘Reverse’ -isms, including ‘reverse racism,’ ‘reverse sexism,’ and ‘cisphobia’ This was taken from http://geekfeminism.org/about/code-of-conduct/ with one omission: > The Geek Feminism Anti-Abuse Team will not act on complaints regarding: ‘Reverse’ -isms, including ‘reverse racism,’ ‘reverse sexism,’ and ‘cisphobia’ (because these things d…

So to be clear, if someone was talking about "male tears" or saying that all white people were [X], you believe that this code of conduct would be enforced against those people?

Because I don't. If the CoC was genuinely designed to oppose discriminatory behavior against everyone, why would its authors be clinging so tightly to this bit of language that could be interpreted as greenlighting certain types of discrimination? It's unnecessary, so why not remove it?

Re: GitHub Puts Open Code of Conduct on Pause

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Post by 13thLetter »

thomasfoster96 wrote: post #3

Looking through some of the issues on that repo, the amount of bad faith people have in the very idea of a code of conduct is astonishing. Not to mention the sheer ignorance of issues affecting minorities within the tech community (seriously, Jon Stewart could have had a weeks worth of material). Sure, the wording of the code of conduct wasn't perfect, but it'd be much nicer if people wanted to see it improved in goo…

Unfortunately, the well was poisoned from the beginning. Don't forget that this entire CoC fiasco started because someone barged into an open-source project demanding that a major contributor be ostracized because he said something on Twitter she didn't like. Anyone who sees that happen, and then sees that suddenly the same people who were demanding contributors be chucked out over Twitter arguments two weeks ago are now writing codes of conduct that are getting imposed everywhere, is not going to be inclined to read them in good faith.

Re: GitHub Puts Open Code of Conduct on Pause

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Post by 13thLetter »

intortus wrote: post #14
thomasfoster96 wrote: post #3

Looking through some of the issues on that repo, the amount of bad faith people have in the very idea of a code of conduct is astonishing. Not to mention the sheer ignorance of issues affecting minorities within the tech community (seriously, Jon Stewart could have had a weeks worth of material). Sure, the wording of the code of conduct wasn't perfect, but it'd be much nicer if people wanted to see it improved in goo…

It seems like the loudest voices are brand new accounts with some sort of anti-diversity agenda.

Unfortunately, in much of tech opposing the "diversity" advocates under your own name is a great way to get fired, or get a Twitter mob after you (which will then get you fired.) A lot of people understandably don't want to risk that.
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