This is a gem: "Harassing photography or recording, including logging online activity for harassment purposes"
GitHub Puts Open Code of Conduct on Pause
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Re: GitHub Puts Open Code of Conduct on Pause
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
It seems like the loudest voices are brand new accounts with some sort of anti-diversity agenda.
There's what looks like an obviously fake account (lots of 0-star repos with nonsense names) who just started arguing in an issue that privelige doesn't exist and that people are only lazy. That really doesn't help at all, and I'm kinda surprised that it seems as though people are trying to reason with people like that.
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Re: GitHub Puts Open Code of Conduct on Pause
#93That's the smartest thing they've done all week. Now it's time to bury it dead. This is a solution looking for a problem (tm). The only thing this code of conduct does beside state the obvious (behave like adults) is the implied distrust expressed by introducing it in the first place: that without being nannied into proper behaviour, we would all act like vile animals. Generally I find such nannying deeply offensive.
I'm just getting miserable by all the hypersensitive crybabies out there. What about my feelings? No one's going to care because I'm white and conservative.
When your feelings, your hopes, your opportunities and your freedom, have been trampled on for decades if not centuries if not millennia, you might have a better claim to victimhood.
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#94>Physical contact and simulated physical contact (eg, textual descriptions like “ hug ” or “ backrub ”) without consent or after a request to stop. [violates the code of conduct] I can't tell if this is a joke or not.
Yeah I don't get the 'textual' descriptions bit - and physical contact doesn't really apply to an online community. I suppose describing sexual contact is probably unwanted, but that's covered under the sexual harassment section.
rubs thomasfoster06's shoulders aggressively
Tell me to stop. I WON'T.
Re: GitHub Puts Open Code of Conduct on Pause
#95Looking through some of the issues on that repo, the amount of bad faith people have in the very idea of a code of conduct is astonishing. Not to mention the sheer ignorance of issues affecting minorities within the tech community (seriously, Jon Stewart could have had a weeks worth of material). Sure, the wording of the code of conduct wasn't perfect, but it'd be much nicer if people wanted to see it improved in goo…
It seems like the loudest voices are brand new accounts with some sort of anti-diversity agenda.
I don't know about the "anti-diversity agenda", but I would assume at least some of new accounts are from people who don't want to get their "real" account involved in a big political issue.
Just being against the code of conduct doesn't make somebody a terrible person, but there are other people who would spin it that way.
Re: GitHub Puts Open Code of Conduct on Pause
#96That's the smartest thing they've done all week. Now it's time to bury it dead. This is a solution looking for a problem (tm). The only thing this code of conduct does beside state the obvious (behave like adults) is the implied distrust expressed by introducing it in the first place: that without being nannied into proper behaviour, we would all act like vile animals. Generally I find such nannying deeply offensive.
I agree. I have yet to encounter a truly bad interaction on Github. And what if I did? Learning to ignore things that could unreasonably sour your mood is a valuable skill in life anyway. Life itself doesn't really have a code like proposed.
Have you guys missed the numerous controversial issues that consistently come up around this? I really don't understand the viewpoint that these guys are just coming out with a rule book apropos of nothing except their desire to nanny and police people.
Is it possible that you're a part of the class that, yes, doesn't experience the negative aspects of the community, and thus has no empathy for those that do? Ah, but yes, "that's life, suck it up" - right? Stiff upper lip, don't be a whiner, I didn't need empathy to get where I am, and so on and so forth.
While that may always be good advice to follow, personally I find that attitude an excuse to be callous and lazy. Actually taking the time to understand other people and their issues, truly trying to get outside of your own biases and experiences and put yourself in their shoes, is more impressive to me.
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#97This section of the "code of conduct" is extremely odd without some context:
> Our open source community prioritizes marginalized people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort. We will not act on complaints regarding:
> ‘Reverse’ -isms, including ‘reverse racism,’ ‘reverse sexism,’ and ‘cisphobia’
> Reasonable communication of boundaries, such as “leave me alone,” “go away,” or “I’m not discussing this with you”
> Refusal to explain or debate social justice concepts
> Communicating in a ‘tone’ you don’t find congenial
> Criticizing racist, sexist, cissexist, or otherwise oppressive behavior or assumptions
I'd put this in the context of:
* normal people are political and can not understand a technological meritocracy
* the percentage of the github community that is black is much smaller than the percentage of the worldwide or even US population that is black
* the github community is a technological meritocracy and the problem of underrepresentation is external
* not understanding this, normal people would like to impose a political solution, and the form this solution takes is grotesque and offensive to people who do understand meritocracy
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#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I set up my web browser to automatically change > "political correctness" to "treating people with > respect" https://twitter.com/byronclarknz/status/628702214391902208 If you use the phrase "social outrage" or "social justice" as a pejorative, you're part of the problem :)
> If you use the phrase "social outrage" or "social justice" as a pejorative, you're part of the problem :) The first thing is to understand it's a problem to simply prima facie discount someone. It is outrage at social things. 9/10 of the people complaining are just trolls who don't even code. The rest are beta males who emasculate themselves playing apart in it. 5 years from now - they're going to risk losing too m…
Ah I just knew I would see mention of "beta male" strewn somewhere in this shithole thread. You are a moron :)
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#99This is probably a parallel, but I still think Apple came up with the best, most self-disciplining code of conduct of all times: > We will reject Apps for any content or behavior that we believe is over the line. What line, you ask? Well, as a Supreme Court Justice once said, "I'll know it when I see it". And we think that you will also know it when you cross it. Yes, they do publish more direct rejection reasons too…
But those reasons were enumerated by experience and were repeated over and over -- like religious hate. What I like is they did not start with a committee of people saying, "Let's brainstorm what could go wrong." The distinction doesn't seem that clear to me. It seems like this committee has gotten together as a response to the well known social issues that have cropped up over and over in specifically the github com…
> Could it be that you agree more with the rules Apple has put in place, or at least don't feel as strongly about the rules of the App Store, but maybe feel some distaste for someone trying to "police" this somewhat different arena?
Yes. If Apple put those rules for an open source project, I'd reject them just as violently. There is no need to police in open source, no matter how benevolent it is.
> Do you have any specific gripes or examples of policies you think are wrong?
Yes I think it went far too contextual to be a generic "don't be a jerk" policy. It dictates what emoticons one can use and one cannot. Let me backtrack you to history of smileys. Smileys were invented at CMU because researchers often failed to glean the sentiment of a comment made by a peer reviewer.
So they started making happy and sad faces on peer reviews. Now, we don't know how emoticons would evolve in, say, next 30 years. But it sure as hell is possible that someone in open source community might invent something while coloring outside the lines. If he isn't allowed to, we will miss on the invention.
Moreover, I have a feeling these policies will be policed more by "community coordinators" or similar people who don't code and will ridicule real contributors for using a wrong emoticon in an issue. No real programmer will care about this non-technical piece of junk. Open source is not for that kind of environment.
We don't know what we will stifle by putting such policies. Thinking that we're smart enough to know future is extremely naive.
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#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
I agree. I have yet to encounter a truly bad interaction on Github. And what if I did? Learning to ignore things that could unreasonably sour your mood is a valuable skill in life anyway. Life itself doesn't really have a code like proposed.
The ability to ignore troubling things might be said to be a privilege of the powerful and secure.
Being able to report GitHub issues freely already kind of puts you there.