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Insurgents Hack U.S. Drones

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Re: Insurgents Hack U.S. Drones

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post #74

Having an unencrypted video broadcast on a military drone is just a dumb idea by whoever manufactured it. Encryption would seem to be the most minimal requirement for such an application.

I agree. My first thought when reading the article was "WTF? No encryption?". Would be interested in learning more about the company that makes these, and how something so obvious was not done.

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#82
post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The question is, what do our defence contractors care more about: making their weapons actually work? Or merely selling them?

The later is true. There is a large, high througput, revolving door between DoD and large contractors. Yesterday's generals are today's board members and C*Os of large defense contractors. When something is purchased, or a bid is chosen, it is often because of those conections not because a product is inherently better. The result is a lot of overpriced, under-performing equipment. The amount of waste is just ridicul…

Interestingly enough, it was just yesterday I was reading an article on Robert Gates reviewing the military senior mentor program. http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2009-12-16-gates-mento...

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#83

the U.S. military found pirated drone video feeds on other militant laptops What is the meaning of "pirated" here? Are they going to sue militants for copyright infringement?

The drone recorded footage of the insurgents drinking grog and cursing landlubbers.

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post #81
post #74

Having an unencrypted video broadcast on a military drone is just a dumb idea by whoever manufactured it. Encryption would seem to be the most minimal requirement for such an application.

I agree. My first thought when reading the article was "WTF? No encryption?". Would be interested in learning more about the company that makes these, and how something so obvious was not done.

If they were first deployed in the 1990's, the technology was developed in the 1980's. Easily deployable software to grab the signals out of the air was probably outside the realm of what seemed possible then.

Why it hasn't been fixed since is shocking!

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post #70
post #67

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OK, so they shot a smaller, faster moving target. The original point still stands. It was an F-117. Yes, most "F" aircraft are air-to-air fighter aircraft. However F-117 is mostly used to attack ground targets, so it's "F" should be more like an "A" (If you want to nitpick that is ;-) )

Actually, they are both subsonic aircraft and have a very similar top speed. The F117, however, has a larger radar cross signature, which makes it appear as a larger aircraft than the B2 in a radar return.

Closest thing I can find to a cite is [1] which indicates they have similar sized returns, about the size of a hummingbird (!).

[1] http://www.answers.com/topic/stealth-technology

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#87
"The military [is] trying to solve the problems by better encrypting the drones' feeds."

Where by "better encrypting" they mean "using any encryption at all"

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#88
post #62
post #23

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The AK is more reliable because it is less accurate. The tolerances on the various mechanical parts are higher, but as a result they are looser.

That's part of the design. Judging by the use and adoption of AK-47 I'd say it is a better weapon in general than M16. Usually an inacurate weapon is better than a stuck weapon when the soldier is facing an enemy.

The M16 would've been fine, if the brass hadn't skimped on the propellant.

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#89
post #67

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A bit of a nitpick, but no stealth bomber has ever been shot down. That was a stealth fighter.

OK, so they shot a smaller, faster moving target. The original point still stands. It was an F-117. Yes, most "F" aircraft are air-to-air fighter aircraft. However F-117 is mostly used to attack ground targets, so it's "F" should be more like an "A" (If you want to nitpick that is ;-) )

The F designation was used to get more highly qualified pilots. (Lots of pilots would rather fly an "F" than an "A")

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#90
post #27
post #15

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The article said that people knew the potential existed since the mid 90's so the problem was't ignorance it was arrogance and apathy.

Oldest mistake in the book: since the adversaries dress differently, speak a different language, and are a different race, assume they must be idiots. The WSJ reporter fell into the same trap: Iraqis and Afghans couldn't have figured out how to tap a video feed on their own; they must have had Iranian help.

I rather think it was the classic pointy-haired boss mistake. "I can't understand this video feed stuff, so those towel-heads shouldn't be able to either!"
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