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Insurgents Hack U.S. Drones

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Re: Insurgents Hack U.S. Drones

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post #9

"said people familiar with the matter" WSJ is really going down in journalistic quality, it seems. But seriously, problem known for a decade, "they're dumber than us so they can't use it" attitudes, in a device at that price point, you'd expect they'd think about these things. Reminds me of the Boeing report on Columbia. ( http://www.edwardtufte.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=0... )

"People familiar with the matter" has been WSJ's phrase for an unnamed source for years.

Re: Insurgents Hack U.S. Drones

#52
post #6

I have a thought. How about next time the military just flies one of these things down to Defcon and lets people have a go. The hackers get a cool toy to play with a for a day and the military gets a free fairly sophisticated penetration test. I'm sure the flaw would have been found; instructions on how to intercept satellite data with about $100 worth of hardware have been floating around for years. I'll edit this p…

The question is, what do our defence contractors care more about: making their weapons actually work? Or merely selling them?

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Re: Insurgents Hack U.S. Drones

#53
post #38

Part of the problem is that the military awards contracts that are sometimes decades long. What was "good enough" security in 1990 is not looking so hot 20 years on. The US military machine may not perform as well as it has in the past in the new era of betas, hotfixes and patches. I will not be at all surprised when insurgent "rc-plane" drones start showing up with cell phones, arduinos, grenades and duct-tape.

http://diydrones.com/ :)

The gas jet propelled ones have max speed of 200mph, while predators have 135mph. Can't wait for some sort of anti-predator with EMP gun or something making the 5M investment look stupid :)

[With some kick ass AI doing the find-kill, soldiers shouting "f* NPCs"]

[Note: I know emp guns weight ~50kg]

Re: Insurgents Hack U.S. Drones

#55
post #53
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://diydrones.com/ :)

The gas jet propelled ones have max speed of 200mph, while predators have 135mph. Can't wait for some sort of anti-predator with EMP gun or something making the 5M investment look stupid :) [With some kick ass AI doing the find-kill, soldiers shouting "f * NPCs"] [Note: I know emp guns weight ~50kg]

Why bother with anything like an EMP? At the cost of the DIY, it's disposable... just fly right into the thing and physically knock it out of the sky.

BattleBots in Space.

That's a pirated video I'd watch.

Re: Insurgents Hack U.S. Drones

#56
post #53
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://diydrones.com/ :)

The gas jet propelled ones have max speed of 200mph, while predators have 135mph. Can't wait for some sort of anti-predator with EMP gun or something making the 5M investment look stupid :) [With some kick ass AI doing the find-kill, soldiers shouting "f * NPCs"] [Note: I know emp guns weight ~50kg]

Heh sweet!

I wonder how costly some kind of satellite link would be?

(Im getting a new Arduino for Xmas and this has been the intended project for a while - my own UAV :D)

Re: Insurgents Hack U.S. Drones

#57
post #47
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oldest mistake in the book: since the adversaries dress differently, speak a different language, and are a different race, assume they must be idiots. The WSJ reporter fell into the same trap: Iraqis and Afghans couldn't have figured out how to tap a video feed on their own; they must have had Iranian help.

This is the mistake that allowed the Serbs to shoot down a Stealth bomber; aircrews communicating on open channels. http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2005-10-26-serb-stealth_x... "At times, they acted like amateurs," Dani said, listing some ways the Serbs managed to breach NATO communications security, including eavesdropping on pilots' conversations with AWACS surveillance planes.

A bit of a nitpick, but no stealth bomber has ever been shot down. That was a stealth fighter.

Re: Insurgents Hack U.S. Drones

#59

The potential drone vulnerability lies in an unencrypted downlink between the unmanned craft and ground control. What about the uplink?

I assume that's encrypted for obvious reasons. However, encrypting live video feeds requires a lot more prepossessing power than encrypting telemetry so they apparently left it out.

Honestly, from a classic military standpoint encrypted video does little for you. If you can intercept the transmission then you know where the drone is. The only advantage is knowing what it is looking at, but a traditional army is large enough knowing something is in the area is enough. It's only gorilla style fighting when it becomes particularly useful.

Re: Insurgents Hack U.S. Drones

#60
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the mistake that allowed the Serbs to shoot down a Stealth bomber; aircrews communicating on open channels. http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2005-10-26-serb-stealth_x... "At times, they acted like amateurs," Dani said, listing some ways the Serbs managed to breach NATO communications security, including eavesdropping on pilots' conversations with AWACS surveillance planes.

A bit of a nitpick, but no stealth bomber has ever been shot down. That was a stealth fighter.

Agreed, but philosophically, is it still a stealth fighter if the guy the flying it is stupid enough to effectively turn off some of the technology?
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