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Re: Show HN: HTML for People

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Post by MrVandemar »

simonw wrote: post #58
asoneth wrote: post #21

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> The decision to skip CSS by depending on https://simplecss.org/ is smart I was always a little disappointed with how most web browsers choose to render HTML pages that had no explicit styling information. I'm not necessarily saying web browsers should have defaults as opinionated as simple.css, but the default page margins, padding, text styles, headings, etc that they picked aren't particularly attractive. Opinion…

That's a historic artifact. If a browser shipped new default CSS today it would break 30+ years of existing web pages.

Hyperbole. It wouldn't "break" all the web pages, they would simply render differently.

Re: Show HN: HTML for People

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Post by dartharva »

forbiddenvoid wrote: post #13

I love the idea and I'm thrilled to see more sites like this out there. But I do think this assumes a level of computer literacy that isn't consistent with typical, non-technical users. Step 1 starts with: > Pick a location on your computer and create a folder. Call it my-site or something similar. You've already lost the vast majority of people right here. There are a shockingly large number of people out there that…

It's weird seeing this getting emphasized over and again in this thread.

> There are a shockingly large number of people out there that use computers EVERY day that won't know how to do this.

That's very hard to believe. Even my mom, who doesn't use computers at all, would know what folders and files mean.

The people who don't know what files and folders are - can't immediately be beneficiaries of this guide, right? They have a lot more fundamentals to cover before anything like this.

Re: Show HN: HTML for People

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Post by dartharva »

blakewatson wrote: post #38
mightybyte wrote: post #7

I think the fundamental approach being taken by this project is immensely valuable to the world. This kind of education about open standards might actually be the most powerful tool that can help us take steps in the direction away from giant opaque corporations and back towards the systems based on open standards that the internet originated from. I really hope this project continues to be updated and get more and m…

OP here. I appreciate the kind words. Yeah, I hope it finds its way into the hands of non-professionals.

Will you add on to it to include custom CSS, or maybe a section for using different CSS templates (and where to find them), to make a slightly larger website like your own (blakewatson.com)?

Re: Show HN: HTML for People

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Post by dartharva »

Diti wrote: post #49
baggy_trough wrote: post #24

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Super approachable. (sure Jan meme.gif)

That’s the website my high school used in engineering sciences classes to give students an introduction to HTML. I don’t see the point of your comment (I think it’s sarcasm, but I’m not even sure), can you be a little bit more constructive?

The point may be that OP's guide is not meant for high school/engineering students, it is meant for everyone. MDN's "introductory" sections have too many big words to be of use to laypeople.

Re: Show HN: HTML for People

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Post by rapind »

simonw wrote: post #8

This is great. The decision to skip CSS by depending on https://simplecss.org/ is smart - CSS is a whole other thing, and having that on top of basic HTML would be pretty intimidating. I did worry a bit about https://htmlforpeople.com/zero-to-internet-your-first-websit... - "Step 1. Create a folder on your computer" - because apparently a large number of people these days don't understand files and folders at all! ht…

> apparently a large number of people these days don't understand files and folders at all!

And here I am shaking my fist insisting these are “directories” not “folders”… ;)

Re: Show HN: HTML for People

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Post by NavinF »

MathMonkeyMan wrote: post #28
username135 wrote: post #20

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Can you elaborate on what you told your father? When i use google drive, the interface appears to be folder/file structure. Whether it is or is made to look that way is irrelevant, i suppose, as long as it works that way. I can also increase storage by downloading/deleting things so Im a bit flummoxed.

I don't remember if he was trying to save space on his Google Drive or on his phone. His question was, mostly, that if he deleted files in one place, where would the space savings appear? I immediately thought of Windows' OneDrive and how it's sort of an automated rsync setup. I didn't know enough about his phone, which apps he was using, or about Google Drive to give an answer better than "I don't know, and I detect…

I grew up before cloud storage was mainstream, but I never thought the new model was confusing.

- Google Drive caches recent files and downloads other files on demand. Just like iCloud Drive, MS OneDrive, etc.

- Deleting files will free up space on your Google account.

- Clicking the "clear offline files" button will free up space on device.

All these offering are quite similar with just a few extra features here and there

Re: Show HN: HTML for People

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Post by tiborsaas »

ordu wrote: post #70
eddd-ddde wrote: post #67

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If you don't have a file manager on your system chances are you can figure out where downloads are going to.

Well, I manage it sometimes, but I then I forget how I did it. I think the way to do it, is to try to download something with ff again, but stop at the file chooser dialog to figure out where it points to.

You can configure FF that it will ask you each time, where you want to save the file.

Re: Show HN: HTML for People

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Post by amanzi »

I still remember creating my first html page back in the 90s. It felt really magical creating it with just Notepad - changing the bgcolor of a page to red or blue or whatever, was amazing.

Re: Show HN: HTML for People

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Post by famahar »

I love making stuff like this accessible for many people. Giving it a quick read and while I do find it more readable I think you can still lose people when you define terms. More fun analogies and simple silly (non technical looking) pictures could really help a concept sink in faster. Great work overall though.
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