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Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android

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Yet. There's a decision happening next year. This also "takes seconds to Google". https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/11/google-argues-imessa... They are already a gatekeeper with core services that are required to be interoperable. Even if iMessage specifically hasn't yet been declared a core service, Apple is in the crosshairs and behavior like banning competitors will be harmful to their legal position at a very…

Your link—hell, even the URL slug and headline—make it clear that this is something Google is claiming to the EU, not something the EU itself is claiming. Yes, it's possible that the EU will rule that iMessage needs to fall under these rules, too, but citing a major competitor (who's even more under the gun for the same stuff themselves) making the argument that Apple should be restricted is, shall we say, not super…

>who's even more under the gun for the same stuff themselves

Are they, though? Google allows alternative app stores on Android, they already implement an interoperable, open standard in their primary texting app (RCS), they allow alternative browsers on the Play store itself, and they don't block interoperability with other platforms the way Apple does.

That's not to say they're not under the gun, but what they're under the gun for is different, like bribing Epic and others to not move to their own app store or make a self-updating app downloadable from their website.

They're both monopolistic asshole companies, don't get me wrong, but they're using fairly different strategies.

Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android

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It seems that at least the push notification registration part uses a "leaked/extracted" FairPlay private key [1]. As far as I understand, FairPlay certificates/keys should be unique to each iDevice. Couldn't Apple trivially ban all subscriptions originating from this fake device? The comment says you know how to generate more; does Beeper Mini generate one for each install? Why would Apple believe those certificates…

Looks like it's this?

https://github.com/xxCabin/albertsimlockapple/blob/main/ALBE...

This also seems related:

https://github.com/unicode99/MiUnlock/blob/main/activator.ph...

Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android

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If this really works, it is what Nothing's partnership with Sunbird claimed to do (and lied about) a couple weeks ago - before being called out and shut down https://texts.blog/2023/11/18/sunbird-security/

It's really not. Beeper (and Sunbird, and others) up until today used a Mac server to sync messages. OP is describing an Android app that's natively talking directly to iMessage infrastructure, for the first time.

Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android

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Isn't apple implementing full RCS support next year?

There is no encryption in the RCS standard, so of course no encryption.

The current state of affairs re encryption is an accident of history that I would bet doesn’t last much longer once Apple gets formally involved.

“Apple says it won't be supporting any proprietary extensions that seek to add encryption on top of RCS and hopes, instead, to work with the GSM Association to add encryption to the standard.”

https://www.techradar.com/phones/iphone/breaking-apple-will-...

Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android

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You can run Android apps on almost any non-Apple brand of phones, Windows PCs, Linux, Mac OS and Chromebooks. You can run iMessage on Apple devices, nowhere else. Surely you see the difference.

> Surely you see the difference. I know what argument you're trying to make, but I think it is disingenuous to pretend that WhatsApp is free while iMessage is not. As a practical matter neither is free, and both are free.

iMessage is not free insofar as one much purchase an iPhone to use it.

Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android

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Same question. No RCS, no iMessage... Us few Google Voice users have been forgotten by Google. I live in constant fear that the service will be "spring cleaned".

Yeah I'm too far commmitted. I hope they'll let us buy the number off them But my theory is that too many google execs use it so it'll hurt them too if it gets canned. They did update the app semi recently

My main glimmer of hope is that Google has started selling Voice as a hosted VoIP enterprise solution[1] recently, showing that they are doing _something_ with the technology... even if the consumer offering is languishing.

1. https://workspace.google.com/products/voice/

Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android

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Hmm, could it be salted somehow?

Not sure why downvoted, this is a reasonable question. No, even a gigantic salt wouldn't help because the input data is too low entropy - only 10 digits that are 0-9. Salts are only helpful to prevent rainbow table attacks by making the size of the pre-computed output space too large to fit on a drive. The salt has to be stored in plain text in order for the verifying algorithm to compute the hash of the input and co…

That makes sense. Thanks.

Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android

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First... I want to say this is awesome and really really cool. I'm an android user and honestly don't care about blue bubble or iMessage features, but I know A LOT of people care a lot about it, and its really cool to see a solution that doesn't involve passing Apple credentials to some 3rd party service. That said... I will be SHOCKED if Apple doesn't prevent this in some way in short order. Could be through legal a…

I've been a beeper user for a while now. I, too, share this concern. There's no way Apple won't try to kill this somehow.

Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android

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Whenever this issue of iMessage crops up on HN, I’ve come to expect the usual points from both sides. However, the one thing that’s never addressed is the “why” of it all. For a group that ostensibly values openness and interoperability, why spend so much effort and energy to climb into a walled garden?

Because half our friends/family/etc own an iPhone and they either use iMessage or WhatsApp, and neither is acceptable for the likes of me. And since they don't 'stoop' to the level of Signal, we can 'stoop' to the level of iMessage (but definitely not WhatsApp).

Whats wrong with WhatsApp?
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