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Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android

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Post by erohead »

dabluecaboose wrote: post #122
erohead wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can self-host any of our bridges if you prefer: https://github.com/beeper/bridge-manager

Thanks for the response! I don't think I phrased my question properly, since they were mostly concerned about what kind of access the beeper.com matrix server has. If I set up my own bridge, it will still send all of my messages to e.g. @dabluecaboose:beeper.com, right? Their concern was what's happening in the Matrix server that's hosting my account, not as much the bridge.

All messages are encrypted by the bridge before being sent to the matrix homeserver. Homeserver cannot read or see any message contents. If you want to self host everything, including the homeserver, you can do this: https://github.com/beeper/self-host

Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android

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Post by xsrMcVdvV3 »

ysofunny wrote: post #72
modeless wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When TOSes forbid interoperability, breaking them is just.

but now explain this in "Legaleeze" to Apple, to Nintendo, etc....

Notwithstanding the provisions of subsections (a)(2) and (b), a person may develop and employ technological means to circumvent a technological measure, or to circumvent protection afforded by a technological measure, in order to enable the identification and analysis under paragraph (1), or for the purpose of enabling interoperability of an independently created computer program with other programs, if such means are necessary to achieve such interoperability, to the extent that doing so does not constitute infringement under this title.

17 U.S. Code § 1201 - Circumvention of copyright protection systems

Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android

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Post by lostlogin »

rootusrootus wrote: post #132

At this point, why not just wait for Apple to release their RCS implementation? The nicest thing about iMessage (for me, at least) has always been that it was a significant improvement to SMS that just worked, with graceful fallback to SMS for anyone who didn't use it. No installing third party apps, wondering if someone new I wanted to contact would be on that messaging app, etc. A nice bonus, but not something that…

> SMS that just worked, with graceful fallback to SMS

I’ve never seen it fall back gracefully. My experience is that there are missing messages, unsent messages and confusing group threads.

I’m not in the US and am in New Zealand which may or may not be relevant.

Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android

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Post by [deleted] »

erohead wrote: post #127
InTheArena wrote: post #113

Its awesome to reverse engineer this... but.. At the end of the day, this product is taking money for using Apple Services with no recompense to Apple. It won't last. Apple should have added an iMessage client to Android (and charged for it) long, long, long ago, but it doesn't change the ethics problem here. (This is the downside to the "just pay for it with hardware" model people always love rather than paying subs…

Apple announced that they will support RCS. Presumably they will not charge Android users for sending RCS messages to iPhone users right?

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Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android

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Post by jpalawaga »

InTheArena wrote: post #113

Its awesome to reverse engineer this... but.. At the end of the day, this product is taking money for using Apple Services with no recompense to Apple. It won't last. Apple should have added an iMessage client to Android (and charged for it) long, long, long ago, but it doesn't change the ethics problem here. (This is the downside to the "just pay for it with hardware" model people always love rather than paying subs…

iMessage is offered as a free service. If they would like to 'receive recompense', then they should simply charge people.

Do we provide recompense to YCombinator for using hackernews?

Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android

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Post by modeless »

dbbk wrote: post #101
modeless wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, they would have to answer to EU courts. They are legally required to be interoperable now. Banning non-iPhones would definitely be litigated.

This is not true. iMessage hasn't been declared a core service by the EU. This takes seconds to Google.

Yet. There's a decision happening next year. This also "takes seconds to Google". https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/11/google-argues-imessa...

They are already a gatekeeper with core services that are required to be interoperable. Even if iMessage specifically hasn't yet been declared a core service, Apple is in the crosshairs and behavior like banning competitors will be harmful to their legal position at a very sensitive time for them.

Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android

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Post by jaktet »

Rebelgecko wrote: post #21
mcgeez wrote: post #8

I was added to a waitlist, despite their blog post saying there's none. Is anyone else dealing with this?

I'm on the wait list for Beeper, except sometimes when I check my position I've actually gone further back in line somehow.

I can invite you if you want. I just need a platform to send you a message on then I can do it through the app.

Re: Show HN: Beeper Mini – iMessage client for Android

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Post by standardUser »

InTheArena wrote: post #113

Its awesome to reverse engineer this... but.. At the end of the day, this product is taking money for using Apple Services with no recompense to Apple. It won't last. Apple should have added an iMessage client to Android (and charged for it) long, long, long ago, but it doesn't change the ethics problem here. (This is the downside to the "just pay for it with hardware" model people always love rather than paying subs…

The only "ethics" problem I see is a company using it's considerable weight to deliberately segregate users of different platforms, resulting in discrimination and bullying. I understand a lot of people here may not understand this, on account of not being a teenager or young adult, but it is a very real phenomenon.
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