> very time intensive interviews with very few compelling companies worth the effort You will probably think this is partonizing, but anyway: I don't really get how working for a non-IT company that hurts your body and soul is better than working at a non-hip IT company that only hurts your soul. I can guarantee you that you'll feel worse at "Starbucks, McDonalds, retail" than you have ever felt in your IT job. A voc…
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#172Just go do it. I've worked all of those "jobby jobs" on the way to becoming a software engineer. Maybe just get a less aggressive front end developer job? The difference between whats expected of you at different places or different roles is amazing.
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#173It's a bit similar to what I'm thinking about right now. I started my career close to 20 years ago, coding dynamic web pages (yes, I worked with php3), and unintentionally broadened my skillset into something like a CTO skillset for specific environments - I never was a really great coder, so I'm not suited for the lead-developer kind of role in an early phase startup. Now I'm losing more and more interest in "core t…
> However in both projects I discovered there were various severe dysfunctions that didn't really have anything to do with what the IT produced. This is very common and it's not funny, it's tragic. IME the problem always comes down to personalities in upper management. They're incompetent, and give rise to incompetent teams. I once worked with an old mainframe programmer who had re-created himself to be a process eva…
Ok, now while I'm typing I see what you might mean: Of course in a management role you actually have to actively "facilitate": You have to challenge things that seem to be stuck, you have to offer solutions by comparing your experience with the situation at hand. Some kind of an "organisational coach with focus on IT teams". But this wouldn't be a permanent position but a freelance one, and 6 months seems to be a reasonable time for an IT team (and its stakeholders!) to resolve a lot of issues and to be able to flourish on their own.
Having the team decide on architectural matters isn't bad management per se in my opinion. At least having most of the ideas - of course management is responsible for the decisions, but if the ideas come from the team, the developers usually feel way more appreciated, and the decisions are supported way better than those that "come from above". But also, management has to facilitate: Have the team explain why they want to do things a certain way, have them lay out alternatives, and challenge their ideas with your experience.
That's just my understanding of an IT manager: You're not a manager because you were the best developer, and so you were promoted - changing into a management role is NOT a promotion, it's taking a different career path, doing a different job. So to my mind an IT manager should not be a lead architect who has all the great ideas, and the team works them off. He's a Servant Leader who helps the team to be the best team they can be.
Re: Ask HN: How did you move from IT/software to something unrelated?
#174Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can you share some more details about your apparel business? I've thought about starting a small side business in the fashion industry, but I've been stymied by the lack of informational resources. I don't live in NYC or LA, so I don't have the option of dropping in on factory or anything like that.
See here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14352131
Re: Ask HN: How did you move from IT/software to something unrelated?
#175I'm currently working as a programmer and building a side business in the apparel industry. I didn't suspect how much my technological background would be an advantage, when creating an apparel brand in 2017.
Can you share some more details about your apparel business? I've thought about starting a small side business in the fashion industry, but I've been stymied by the lack of informational resources. I don't live in NYC or LA, so I don't have the option of dropping in on factory or anything like that.
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I'd consider also how you can pivot slightly rather than completely. Coming out of my undergrad degree I had absolutely zero interest in writing boiler plate style software suited-up in a large company. Instead I took on jnr research positions in other fields like earth sciences as a research assistant, working with satellite data and high throughput laser scanning. Essentially the computer/robotics guy for people no…
> But now post PhD I get to work in companies that are doing really interesting stuff Isn't it crazy hard to get hired for a research position? I was told in the past that just because you had a PhD didn't mean you would automatically be able to find a job doing interesting research. > The realities of that field have completely sucked me in forever, like nothing I've really found before. In what way?
It's crazy hard to get hired for a permanent research position in academia at a university people will have heard of. In science and engineering Nothing is automatic in life. The number of hopelessly incompetent people with a PhD is only slightly less than the number with an undergrad degree or without any higher education. That doesn't change. But yeah if someone sucks, they suck. That's never something that can be overcome with a piece of paper. But a PhD at the very least usually represents a level of dedication to trying to make yourself suck less that others were unwilling to sign up for. That's probably about all its ever recognised as. My experience to date is people with a PhD are hugely self starting, and capable of pushing a project along independently. Which is simply a product of being left alone floating in a room for several years expected to solve something independently.
> In what way?
The main way is that I come from an AI background by training. Many of the concepts from that field set you up for sort of reverse engineering how things might be working in molecular biology. It's not that cells and proteins are remotely like computers, but they are doing heavy computation in a strange way and AI is essentially the field of understanding strange computation. The main thing I was interested in when I was doing an AI degree were optimisation problems and specifically genetic algorithms. Turns out evolution of molecular biology -the real thing- is just vastly more interesting and complex in a way you wish you could get genetic algorithms to behave. Better yet is that the alarming rise of biotech to actually manipulate how life works, means for all intents and purposes theoretical work you do in molecular biology can directly become technology. It's basically what I was looking for in AI.
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Oh man the JET program is amazing compared to the other teaching jobs in Japan. I was never part of the program but considering what they do for you and the market rate, the pay is still pretty good. Can I ask how you got back into tech afterwards? I taught for a few years in Japan and it was quite hard to land my first programming job after (I'm still in Japan).
I went to the UK :-). The real story is that I went to Japan only thinking of staying for 1 year. After a couple of months, I knew I was going to stay forever. At that point I quite happily made the decision to give up writing software professionally, do something else and write free software in my spare time. After 5 years, I was actually planning on starting a brewery (I've been a homebrewer since I was 18), but I…
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#178Earlier quoted context omitted.
I went to the UK :-). The real story is that I went to Japan only thinking of staying for 1 year. After a couple of months, I knew I was going to stay forever. At that point I quite happily made the decision to give up writing software professionally, do something else and write free software in my spare time. After 5 years, I was actually planning on starting a brewery (I've been a homebrewer since I was 18), but I…
Thanks for the long write-up. I'm actually employed in Japan now but it was quite some work to get a position. I have a very long commute so I'd be much happier with either a remote position or one closer to my home but haven't had any luck (I live in the 'country-side' and work downtown for a fun 2 hour commute each way). I'm from the SF bay area so I'm thinking of looking at remote jobs from the states but they see…
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#179I worked as a software developer for 3 years until RSI struck me. It took me one year of rehab to be in a situation to live normal life. Life decided for me that I can't be a programmmer anymore. I had an engineering degree in Computer Engineering and it was hard for me to convince myself that I can't type anymore. It just wasn't possible physically. So after much furstration I decided to make a change. I went back t…
If you don't mind me asking. Were you able to trace it back to something that led to RSI ? Do you have any tips for people to avoid it in future. Also, so glad to hear you were able to find something you like doing. RSI is stuff of nightmares.
My suggestion to people to avoid RSI is: Just don't work too much, focus on health and small things in life. Work is just a part of life, it is not life.
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I was awaiting that comment :). Short answer to your question: Yes, my desk looks like I will to fly to Mars any moment. Long answer: I rather not type or I will give myself more pain.
I doubt that more technology is the solution. What worked for me was to build up strength in my wrists, hands, and forearms again, with free weights. (I'd actually recommend dumbbells rather than barbells. If I were advising myself 22 years ago, I would tell myself to start really light, and don't work too hard to begin with.) It took a lot of work, but I didn't cause the RSI to flare up again, and within a few month…