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Re: Ask HN: How did you move from IT/software to something unrelated?

#91
The thing I regret not doing is sales. And I mean SALES. Selling plots of land in a swamp. Selling GIs suits of armour on an aircraft carrier. Selling fake Gucci jackets out of the boot of a car. I'm talking Glengarry Glen Ross shit and worse. If I had a career timeout I think that's what I might do.

Bear with me here.

It's like there's two ways of looking at what life is really about. On the one hand life is about stopping to smell the flowers, feel the sand in between your toes, enjoy balmy evenings with friends and family. On the other hand life is about a cruel and monstrous struggle for survival in which every living organism is consuming or parasitising some other organism for its own advantage.

Both these things are true: I feel like people who have the privilege of NOT doing sales, don't see both sides on a regular basis. Don't understand where their incomes really originate.

So I always felt like it's a world I know about, but haven't really experienced. Like sometimes I love walking through an industrial estate at 6am and feeling like this is really where things are happening.

Re: Ask HN: How did you move from IT/software to something unrelated?

#92
I'm sort of doing this now. I'm a full-time software engineer, and I have a passion for tea as well. I've been reading a TON about small business, entrepreneurship, etc. My wife and I are in the processes of launching a side-hustle online tea company, and documenting the whole process on our YouTube channel. It may not be a full-time gig, but we want to grow it as far as we can. So, in short, we're sticking with the safe jobs we know and leveraging our free time to build something we love.

Re: Ask HN: How did you move from IT/software to something unrelated?

#93
I think the ESL/teaching English abroad thing is always an option.

Being relatively young is def a good thing, imo. Olds are not so attractive to employers, career-switching or not.

i had the chance to do project management after a long time being a dev/whatever, and it was actually really cool. also did some product mgmt and that was cool too. there are often companies looking for 'junior' folks with that stuff -- the main skills needed are tech + 'interested' + young (can also be read as: not jaded yet)/cheap.

my advice to all my friends and people i care about is...get out now. that is, get out of tech, get out of wage slavery, get out of anything that allows you to be owned or is about to be automated (everything) -- get into rent-seeking and other horrible stuff b/c that's the way to survive and thrive, unfortunately.

or, move to a less insane country, like somewhere in Scandinavia maybe.

good luck!

Re: Ask HN: How did you move from IT/software to something unrelated?

#94
I think the ESL/teaching English abroad thing is always an option.

Being relatively young is def a good thing, imo. Olds are not so attractive to employers, career-switching or not.

i had the chance to do project management after a long time being a dev/whatever, and it was actually really cool. also did some product mgmt and that was cool too. there are often companies looking for 'junior' folks with that stuff -- the main skills needed are tech + 'interested' + young (can also be read as: not jaded yet)/cheap.

my advice to all my friends and people i care about is...get out now. that is, get out of tech, get out of wage slavery, get out of anything that allows you to be owned or is about to be automated (everything) -- get into rent-seeking and other horrible stuff b/c that's the way to survive and thrive, unfortunately.

or, move to a less insane country, like somewhere in Scandinavia maybe.

good luck!

Re: Ask HN: How did you move from IT/software to something unrelated?

#95

As someone who has worked those type of jobs for years, the grass is indeed NOT greener on the other side. Those jobs have a much lower barrier to entry, so in addition to being paid less, employers can hire and fire much more easily. Also don't fall for the "sales is such a great skill to have!" When was the last time a salesperson convinced you to buy something? What will you have to show for the years you're going…

Think about the last time you didn't buy something because of a bad salesperson.

Re: Ask HN: How did you move from IT/software to something unrelated?

#96

As someone who has worked those type of jobs for years, the grass is indeed NOT greener on the other side. Those jobs have a much lower barrier to entry, so in addition to being paid less, employers can hire and fire much more easily. Also don't fall for the "sales is such a great skill to have!" When was the last time a salesperson convinced you to buy something? What will you have to show for the years you're going…

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Re: Ask HN: How did you move from IT/software to something unrelated?

#97
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I just made an account here to reply to your account .Could you please elaborate on how you got into digital learning/edtech or how can a fellow software engineer get into digital learning/edtech?

Oh goodness, I'm glad someone found this intriguing, I think I came across as a bit self-promotional before :o It was mainly accidental that I got into digital learning. I was pretty traumatised from my degree, even today I still feel irrationally reluctant to code. But I've always been passionate about design and education. I also wanted to "self-heal" if you like, to repair myself as a person and as a learner. And…

Thats does sound pretty interesting and helpfull too.I will definitely check those things out .Thanks for sharing!

Re: Ask HN: How did you move from IT/software to something unrelated?

#98
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Have you tried using a different mouse/keyboard or using one of those silicon pads to support your wrist? You could also try to change your posture while sitting.

I was awaiting that comment :). Short answer to your question: Yes, my desk looks like I will to fly to Mars any moment. Long answer: I rather not type or I will give myself more pain.

I doubt that more technology is the solution. What worked for me was to build up strength in my wrists, hands, and forearms again, with free weights. (I'd actually recommend dumbbells rather than barbells. If I were advising myself 22 years ago, I would tell myself to start really light, and don't work too hard to begin with.) It took a lot of work, but I didn't cause the RSI to flare up again, and within a few months I was able to type at full speed for indefinite periods.

Something else I learned was to not overdo it.

So, that was almost a cure for me, but whether it'll work for you or not is an entirely different thing, depending on what the root of the problem is. You would probably also need to address posture and muscle tension issues, like I do, and you just plain should not attempt any kind of serious rehab without a good physiotherapist helping you.

Re: Ask HN: How did you move from IT/software to something unrelated?

#99
How did you become a frontend developer? Did you get a CS degree, did an internship, graduated then landed your 1st job?

Well, if that's the case then this is the answer to your question. How do you switch fields? Forget about CS, it doesn't make you any better regarding other fields. You have to start from scratch there is no shortcut unless you have an amazing network.

So to answer your question, pick up a new field then re-apply the exact same process. Go to school or train for another field. Get an internship then land your 1st job. The main difference is that you should pick something you do outside of work. Don't think about your career, income, etc. pick something you'd be wiling to do for free. If you happen to make money out of it, you'll never burn out.

Re: Ask HN: How did you move from IT/software to something unrelated?

#100
You write as if you are trapped in IT. You say you are burnt out. Perhaps the feeling you are trapped is coming from inside you rather than the world?

Burn out comes from using willpower to force yourself to do work that you have no hope will succeed.

The feeling of being trapped comes with that. The Fight Flight Freeze response.

The feeling is inside you. You can fly to another industry but the feeling will go with you and you will remain unsettled.

Because burn out is a physiological phenomenon, one that you feel in your your body, focus on physical recovery. Sleep, go outside, reconnect in your relationships, exercise. Get the adrenaline and blood pressure down.

Then it is worth doing other things to build back the feeling of hope. But use that as the guide. Do I believe this will be fun? That I will succeed at this? You need to retrain your sense of hope in your own efforts.

It takes time. A few months to 2 years perhaps. Forgive yourself daily. You aren't the first or the last person to feel this way and there is nothing wrong with how you feel. It was a way to stop you from continuing doing something self-destructive. The primary lesson is to do things that are self-constructive from now on. Things you want to do. Things you wake up to do. Don't stop yourself from those things any more.

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