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Ask HN: How are you getting through (and back from) burning out?

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Re: Ask HN: How are you getting through (and back from) burning out?

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post #107

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You are a true Sage, sir!

Perhaps not assume all commenters on YC are male if we want to make the community more welcoming.

I think it's fine to address senior female authority figures as 'Sir.'

Some people say, 'Mam' or 'Madam' which is fine, but to me it seems like they may come across as diminutive.

For instance it would seem insulting to call a female book author an 'authoress', or a 'poetess'.

Re: Ask HN: How are you getting through (and back from) burning out?

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post #108

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You should read notacoward’s profile. I think you are the type of person he or she is talking about. If OP is offended by being called Sir then let them say so. Why are you passing judgement on behalf of someone else?

Was the sir really necessary? Nothing in the comment or profile indicates gender, regardless of what the reality is. And if people keep making this assumption then how do female members who statistically encounter this error far more often feel like this community is equally welcoming of them.

I’m from the South so Sir and Ma’am were ingrained in me since I learned to speak.

If OP was female they could easily correct the other poster. Thanks for you compliment I’m a female so it would be ma’am.

Edit: I removed a potion of my comment. Your post history gives me the feeling you are pushing your own agenda here.

Re: Ask HN: How are you getting through (and back from) burning out?

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What I see a lot around me: Kids work really hard to get into a good high school High School kids work really hard to get into a good college College kids work really hard to get into a great first job Young Adults working really hard to progress their career Adults working hard and burning out because that is all they really know. If you've always been an A student, and had a good career, its hard to change mentalit…

> But you should consider not trying so hard. Just doing your hours, dont volunteer to do extra, and figure out what you enjoy that makes you happy.

For me, my EGO sometimes gets in the way of what is best for me.

For example, mostly when I was younger, if I saw someone implement something or solve a problem that I thought I had a better solution for, I'd tell everybody. And then get stuck solving it myself.

I still fall into this trap even now that I know to look out for it.

Really this was me just attempting to appear clever, and in the process making more work for myself.

Not trying so hard is the rational choice. During the time that managers are getting together to stack rank us and decide on our bonuses, or even whether to lay us off, they are making cold rational decisions.

To me, workers should approach their job the same way. Think of yourself as a business of 1 doing business with your employer. If you work unpaid overtime, you are losing money. If you always go the extra mile and do all sorts of extra stuff, you are losing money.

A job should be an economic arrangement.

It's ok to be friendly and to do a little extra to retain their business, but going way beyond, that's like sharecropping.

Sharecropping is growing your crops on rented land. Sometimes it's inevitable, but in the end it's not your land you are working, but the employer's.

Re: Ask HN: How are you getting through (and back from) burning out?

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Stop competing. Life is more or less meaningless. One of the ways some people cope is competition. You don't have to be high-performance. No one except the people profiting from your labor really care about your high performance. The work you are producing is being put into the dustbin of history more quickly than you realize. I quit my job. Had some garage sales. Went on some road trips. Now I freelance. I can work…

Do you mind sharing your age (ballpark range) and savings (ballpark range)?

I often read about such lifestyle, but something that would haunt me is what you would do as you age and as work dries up.

I think I'd be more comfortable with first working the hard years in silicon valley while living as frugally as possible to have savings to not ever work again, and then you can move to a low COL area to either start a startup or freelance. Theoretically with a FAANG or comparable pay job, you can get to such financial position in about 10-15 years of work.

Re: Ask HN: How are you getting through (and back from) burning out?

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post #112
post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was the sir really necessary? Nothing in the comment or profile indicates gender, regardless of what the reality is. And if people keep making this assumption then how do female members who statistically encounter this error far more often feel like this community is equally welcoming of them.

I’m from the South so Sir and Ma’am were ingrained in me since I learned to speak. If OP was female they could easily correct the other poster. Thanks for you compliment I’m a female so it would be ma’am. Edit: I removed a potion of my comment. Your post history gives me the feeling you are pushing your own agenda here.

I have no agenda other than hoping our community would become more welcoming. As context, my startup makes an app that is mostly used by women, which has helped me learn to see things from a different point of view. And I've worked with and hired many talented female engineers and designers who have all mentioned about how male focused as a whole our industry still is. I take them at their word.

Re: Ask HN: How are you getting through (and back from) burning out?

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Depends on the type of burnout, but I would caution about doubling down on exercise. For two reasons: 1: It can be an attempt to avoid working through the issues that led to the burnout. Sometimes it can be like replacing one addiction with another. 2: Exercise is stress, and burnout is a reaction to prolonged stress. Moderate exercise can help, by elevating mood. Heavy exercise in burnout can lead to prolonged fatig…

And you can get burnout from exercising too much. Had this happen when I was training for some ultra-distance stuff before I had the proper training framework.

Re: Ask HN: How are you getting through (and back from) burning out?

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Depends on the type of burnout, but I would caution about doubling down on exercise. For two reasons: 1: It can be an attempt to avoid working through the issues that led to the burnout. Sometimes it can be like replacing one addiction with another. 2: Exercise is stress, and burnout is a reaction to prolonged stress. Moderate exercise can help, by elevating mood. Heavy exercise in burnout can lead to prolonged fatig…

And you can get burnout from exercising too much. Had this happen when I was training for some ultra-distance stuff before I had the proper training framework.

For sure, there is a lot of overlap between overtaining syndrome and job burnout.

Re: Ask HN: How are you getting through (and back from) burning out?

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post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are a true Sage, sir!

Perhaps not assume all commenters on YC are male if we want to make the community more welcoming.

I really find this kind of comment toxic.

I would appreciate it if mods could moderate comments such as the one you made.

Not everything is about race, gender, equality and being politically correct.

Please, do not derail yet another conversation.

Respectfully, [insert your preferred gender/race/correct pc term here]

Re: Ask HN: How are you getting through (and back from) burning out?

#120
Take vacations! That means time completely unplugged from work and work-like things. I once went about 7+ years without any vacations. I literally hit a point where I was so burnt out, I was unable to function.

Don't put up with more than one or two weeks of 45+ hour weeks in a quarter. It's one thing to have a push for a release... If it's taking more than that, you aren't the problem.

Ensure a daily downtime... for me, I tend to be a late starter. I spend the morning catching up on emails, setting up tasks for the day, reading sites like this. I take lunch away from my desk. If there are meetings, I try to reschedule them all for before lunch. I then take lunch and work mostly noise cancelling headset on the rest of the day. I tend to be more productive in the afternoon/evening anyway. You may find inverting this is more beneficial.

Ensure at least 3 days a week with a 4 hour uninterrupted block to get work done. This is key if you're doing development. This is when you get your real work done, and stress less about the hours outside this core block.

At least that's where I am. I've been at this a couple decades now, and constantly learning. Which is another aspect of my mornings. They allow me to read/experiment etc.

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