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Re: Ask HN: How are you getting through (and back from) burning out?

#101
No choice. I had to.

Homelessness is not an option for me. I just dug myself out of the hole, even if I was out of energy.

I had a text file on my computer where I wrote down the steps I had to take. Then I followed this todo-file for maybe 6 years. It was organized into sections: Now, next phase, next phase after that, and so on. It got more sketchy the further it is into the future.

I have been following this TODO-list for 6 years now. I am now at a point where I can add whatever I want to it, almost. I kindof succeeded.

Re: Ask HN: How are you getting through (and back from) burning out?

#102
post #20

Do we really have to Ask HN this every few days?

I understand that it can be annoying to have the same question asked often. It is likely the effect of having a constant influx of new HN readers.

Perhaps if we closed the doors to new users we could solve this problem. I doubt we'll see much support for that solution, and justifiably so

Re: Ask HN: How are you getting through (and back from) burning out?

#103
post #69

I take a LOT of supplements. There are deficiencies in the nutritional benefits of food due to overfarming and other environmental factors. Burning out is NOT a normal state of being - in the past humans did not have the luxury of resting. So why do we feel this now? Lack of nutrition. Try taking supplements and see how it changes things. YMMV and please check with your physician before changing your diet or taking a…

Please do

Absolutely! Again, please consult with a physician before taking any dietary supplements:

Magnesium Selenium Iodine Niagen CoQ10 Astralagus Zinc Turmeric Vitamin C

To name a few!

Re: Ask HN: How are you getting through (and back from) burning out?

#104
10 years ago, I went through an intense period of burn-out after 2 consecutive death marches at work. Just the thought of work gave me stomach cramps.

I told my manager at the time that for the foreseeable future, I'd be coming in at 10:30am and go home at 4 or 5pm and to give me an assignment that was isolated (as in: something that could be developed without many interactions with critical pieces of the rest of the system). It was either that or just quit. My manager was very understanding so that's how it went.

I decided to dive into new hobbies and classes that took a lot of time, often 5 days a week, and often starting at 5pm.

After about 6 months I could bring myself to occasionally read an email after work again and I was my old self again after about a year.

To avoid these issues in the future, I simply stopped working as hard as I did. It helped that I also met my now-wife at the end of my recovery year, which forced me into a better work/life balance. (E.g. dinner at 6pm.)

Re: Ask HN: How are you getting through (and back from) burning out?

#105
Burn out from my experience comes from a lack of autonomy for an extended period of time. You could be restricted by deadlines, toxic coworkers, a workaholic culture, group think, not having input on your work, or other circumstances.

The solution is almost always to change your situation. Before you do that, you need to do some introspection and identify what it is that is burning you out. The causes aren't always big and obvious, they could be as simple as interpersonal dynamics.

The fix depends on the cause but some examples could include getting a new job, switching teams, switching projects, working from home more, etc.

Once you've determined the cause of your burn out and you have a plan to change it, take some time off and take care of yourself:

- Spend time with friends and family

- Go for a run

- Meditate

- Cook a good meal from scratch

- Hang out in nature (go hiking, sit by the water)

- Take a day trip

- Read (Stoicism can be really helpful)

- Journal

- Improve your living space

- Get a full night’s sleep

- Laugh (a lot)

A common mistake people make when trying to heal burn out is to take time off just to return to the environment that caused the burn out in the first place. Change is absolutely crucial.

Re: Ask HN: How are you getting through (and back from) burning out?

#106
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What I see a lot around me: Kids work really hard to get into a good high school High School kids work really hard to get into a good college College kids work really hard to get into a great first job Young Adults working really hard to progress their career Adults working hard and burning out because that is all they really know. If you've always been an A student, and had a good career, its hard to change mentalit…

    But you should consider not trying so hard.
I suspect that's not going to be a popular thing for a lot of people. I agree with the advice but I'd re-word it slightly because -- at least for me -- it's not about trying. I'm paid, so I will do the work and it will be solid but I might also destroy myself in the process which kind of defeats the purpose. So I'll go with "Do something that the effort/reward properly matches how much it will drain out of you to complete"

I used to be an absolute minimum 50-hours/week guy, often around 60-80, and I did it without much pain, but I also didn't realize what I was missing out on. In my last two positions, I have managed to rarely work more than 40 hours (he says coming off of a 75 hour week last week). I'm accomplishing more on every front. This would not have been possible a few jobs ago. My new responsibilities are no "less important" in the grand scheme of what I think of should be "important in life" and they're far more important/fun for me, personally. I found an employer that operates in a more Agile fashion, with fewer deadline emergencies and I'm mentoring more, writing less code but getting to tackle much more difficult problems (which is why there's less code -- it takes a lot longer when you have to refer to docs/RFCs because there's no answers from the usual corners of the web).

I've learned that if at least two out of every five days of the week (averaged over a month, maybe?) I don't get out of bed at least reasonably motivated to work on the thing I'm working on, it's time to evaluate where things are in my life. The last two jobs I've had, "reasonably motivated" has typically been "bolt upright excited" to get up and start work.

    Don't put everything into your job
It's probably not a good idea, especially if you work for someone. They won't put everything in to you, so it's going to be a very uneven relationship. But it is a stupidly important thing in your life (especially if you're supporting a family and working full time). It occupies a large portion of your waking hours so if you're miserable there, the rest of those hours are probably not going to be great, either.

Re: Ask HN: How are you getting through (and back from) burning out?

#107

One word: perspective. At 53, with ~30 years in the industry, I've been through this a few times. The key has always been to step back and look around me. Look at other things I could be doing, and maybe do some of them. Focus more attention to family and friends, hobbies, exercise and other forms of self-care. Look at what other people are doing, what I'd do for a living if I couldn't or didn't want to keep programm…

You are a true Sage, sir!

Perhaps not assume all commenters on YC are male if we want to make the community more welcoming.

Re: Ask HN: How are you getting through (and back from) burning out?

#108
post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are a true Sage, sir!

Perhaps not assume all commenters on YC are male if we want to make the community more welcoming.

You should read notacoward’s profile. I think you are the type of person he or she is talking about. If OP is offended by being called Sir then let them say so.

Why are you passing judgement on behalf of someone else?

Re: Ask HN: How are you getting through (and back from) burning out?

#109
post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are a true Sage, sir!

Perhaps not assume all commenters on YC are male if we want to make the community more welcoming.

Perhaps don't assume GP is assuming. For all you know, we're RL friends. AFAIK not, but I'm sure I've also said many things here before that indicate I'm male and some people do have memories.

Re: Ask HN: How are you getting through (and back from) burning out?

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post #108
post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps not assume all commenters on YC are male if we want to make the community more welcoming.

You should read notacoward’s profile. I think you are the type of person he or she is talking about. If OP is offended by being called Sir then let them say so. Why are you passing judgement on behalf of someone else?

Was the sir really necessary? Nothing in the comment or profile indicates gender, regardless of what the reality is. And if people keep making this assumption then how do female members who statistically encounter this error far more often feel like this community is equally welcoming of them.
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