Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Ask HN: Why is iOS 11 such a mess?

news.ycombinator.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

101–107 of 107 posts

Re: Ask HN: Why is iOS 11 such a mess?

#101

Post by jakobegger »

markpapadakis wrote: post #98
jakobegger wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your battery is probably degraded, and no software update will fix it. Lion batteries just don‘t last forever. You can get a replacement battery for your phone for €25. If you don’t want to do the replacement yourself, any 3rd party repair shop will replace it in 15 minutes. You can also go to an authorized service provider, but that will cost €100 and take much more time.

Half a day, while far from ideal, was long enough for my needs. However, as soon as I upgraded, and not a minute earlier, the battery problem manifested. Now, it could be a coincidence and it is indeed just a problem specific to the battery, but its at best suspicious - the timing is. I will replace the batter anyway, and I am getting a new iPhone next week, I just don’t appreciate being “forced” to upgrade -- conven…

If your battery only lasted half a day before, it was already a severely degraded battery. The update will put a lot of strain on the battery (iPhone does a lot of re-indexing and other stuff after the upgrade), which might might have caused the battery to deteriorate even more.

And, as I said, you are not forced to upgrade. A battery replacement is cheap and quick and will solve all your problems and your phone will feel like new.

I also have the iPhone 6S, and I've also been having trouble with the battery. I've had to replace it twice. (First time Apple replaced the whole phone because of a manufacturing defect, second time I went to a 3rd party repair shop)

Sure, it would be nice if Apple products lasted forever without service. Unfortunately they don't. But servicing iPhones has become extremely cheap and extremely quick -- as long as you stay away from authorised service providers.

Re: Ask HN: Why is iOS 11 such a mess?

#102

Post by jakobegger »

ranieuwe wrote: post #29
markpapadakis wrote: post #21

I use the iPhone 6s. It was responsive, and battery would last at least half the day just fine. Right after the upgrade, batter would last for maybe 1 hour, tops, 30 minutes on average. No minor upgrade fixed the problem, and apparently its a widespread one too. I am getting either the 8+ or the X, but I still think this is ridiculous at best.

Same here with an iPhone 7. I am permanently in low power mode and even then I barely make it through the day - and I am hardly using the phone. It is ridiculous.

Replace your battery.

Re: Ask HN: Why is iOS 11 such a mess?

#103

Post by markpapadakis »

jakobegger wrote: post #101
markpapadakis wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Half a day, while far from ideal, was long enough for my needs. However, as soon as I upgraded, and not a minute earlier, the battery problem manifested. Now, it could be a coincidence and it is indeed just a problem specific to the battery, but its at best suspicious - the timing is. I will replace the batter anyway, and I am getting a new iPhone next week, I just don’t appreciate being “forced” to upgrade -- conven…

If your battery only lasted half a day before, it was already a severely degraded battery. The update will put a lot of strain on the battery (iPhone does a lot of re-indexing and other stuff after the upgrade), which might might have caused the battery to deteriorate even more. And, as I said, you are not forced to upgrade. A battery replacement is cheap and quick and will solve all your problems and your phone will…

I am not concerned with the replacement costs -- it's just where I live, getting the battery replacement will likely mean that I have to ship it to another city(Athens), or, maybe, find some place in a different city in the island (Crete) who may be able to do it. Its a hassle and an inconvenience for me.

What is odd is that is seems to be related to rendering; sometimes when I scroll on either direction on Tweetbot or on Safari, the iPhone will stall for maybe 500ms and the battery will drop by 20% or so instantly. Other times, I will app-switch to Slack and it will do the same. Reading content in black background/white text on the other hand, doesn't seem to be draining the battery. So I think its safe to assume this is an upgrade related problem. Also, I have disabled spotlight indexing and pretty much everything else I could, and it's also been quite some time since the upgrade for any upgrade tasks to be running to completion still.

Re: Ask HN: Why is iOS 11 such a mess?

#104

Post by jakobegger »

markpapadakis wrote: post #103
jakobegger wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If your battery only lasted half a day before, it was already a severely degraded battery. The update will put a lot of strain on the battery (iPhone does a lot of re-indexing and other stuff after the upgrade), which might might have caused the battery to deteriorate even more. And, as I said, you are not forced to upgrade. A battery replacement is cheap and quick and will solve all your problems and your phone will…

I am not concerned with the replacement costs -- it's just where I live, getting the battery replacement will likely mean that I have to ship it to another city(Athens), or, maybe, find some place in a different city in the island (Crete) who may be able to do it. Its a hassle and an inconvenience for me. What is odd is that is seems to be related to rendering; sometimes when I scroll on either direction on Tweetbot…

I had the stalls as well, and they went away after replacing the battery.

I’m pretty sure that there is no way to fix your phone with software. It’s a hardware problem. Just replace the battery, and it’ll work fine again.

I don’t know where you live in Crete, but typing “iphone repair cityname” in google should quickly get you to a place that can replace your battery in 15min.

Re: Ask HN: Why is iOS 11 such a mess?

#105

Post by thinkythought »

BadassFractal wrote: post #2

I'm earnestly appalled at how terrible this release has been. I've had an iPhone since 3GS and this is the first time I can remember I've really regretted an update. I've NEVER experienced my iPhone completely locking up for 5-10 minutes right in the middle of me trying to get work done, not allowing me to even force-reboot it. I have to power cycle it at least a dozen times a day now because it gets into a state whe…

My obnoxious solution to this after restoring a backup multiple times: delete all your apps, and reinstall them. This ALMOST fixed it.

It's a pathetic solution, but it worked when nothing else would including "set up as a new phone". The apps had to break, then be deleted and reinstalled a second time, to finally work.

The other issues with 11 remain however.

Re: Ask HN: Why is iOS 11 such a mess?

#106

Post by thr0w__4w4y »

tatersolid wrote: post #76
excalibur wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. When Apple devices reach two generations old, they need to be forcibly removed from your environment, or they will quickly become gaping security holes. For a company that prides itself on its image of protecting users' privacy, it sure is behind the curve on software maintenance.

My family has 4 year old iPhone 5S in service that still receive all security updates. Our Android devices on the other hand... not so much. Six months of updates seems to be about the max!

I think excalibur meant "when the software version is two versions back", not the hardware.

I suspect the family is still getting security updates because you are running iOS 11 on the 5S. I bought a 5S too back in 2013, it came with iOS 7. If you were still running iOS 7 (or 8, or 9, or probably even 10 now) on the device, you would not be getting updates any more.

Post reply on HN