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Re: Ask HN: Why is iOS 11 such a mess?

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Post by davelnewton » Wed, Nov 08, 2017, 3:12 AM UTC

cisanti wrote: post #33

markpapadakis wrote: post #21

I use the iPhone 6s. It was responsive, and battery would last at least half the day just fine. Right after the upgrade, batter would last for maybe 1 hour, tops, 30 minutes on average. No minor upgrade fixed the problem, and apparently its a widespread one too. I am getting either the 8+ or the X, but I still think this is ridiculous at best.

Half the day was normal to you?! What are you guys doing with your phones, I use some cheap chinesium android and it gives me easy 2 days of battery if not more.

I get substantially better battery life on my iPhones than my Androids, although I've been pretty happy with the Note 8 so far. Reasonably happy with 7+, curious to see what happens w/ the X.

Re: Ask HN: Why is iOS 11 such a mess?

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Post by davelnewton » Wed, Nov 08, 2017, 3:14 AM UTC

chomp wrote: post #10

I switched from Android to iOS for the first time with the iPhone 8 plus and while the camera is the best camera I've ever owned on a smartphone, I'm pretty disappointed with iOS. I'm probably going to switch back to Android in a couple years. I can't recall a new Android release ever being this buggy for this long.

My old Samsung camera was significantly better than anything including my 7+. I'll see how the X goes if I ever get it. Note 8 camera is also quite a bit better than the 7+ IMO.

Re: Ask HN: Why is iOS 11 such a mess?

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Post by altern8tif » Wed, Nov 08, 2017, 3:56 AM UTC

dingaling wrote: post #60

planetjones wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have worked on a project with hundreds of people on it. But if I take the calculator example where you can’t add numbers together properly because of the animation lag, I doubt that more than one or two developers built that. Someone should have had the pride and passion to test that themselves, raise it and fix it. So either the organisation and culture is very bad at apple or the individuals don’t take enough res…

> I doubt that more than one or two developers built that Indeed, and it no doubt passed all the unit tests and was marked as good to ship. But I suspect what they were lacking was an aggressive, adversarial QA specialist with the mindset of "how would a user break this in daily use".

That's really surprising considering that we've seen beta releases of iOS for quite a number of years now.

Isn't the point of a beta release to make sure that the OS is battle-tested with users who would use it like they do in real life?

Would have thought it might have covered most of the typical real-world use cases. Especially since it probably has one of the highest number of users/testers of any beta software programs.

Re: Ask HN: Why is iOS 11 such a mess?

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Post by khelal » Wed, Nov 08, 2017, 5:21 AM UTC

I agree. 2017 has been the year that has made me seriously redefine my interest for Apple products, after almost 15 years of being addicted to them.

iPhones without Jack? No thank you. MacBooks with no USB? No thank you. iOS that keeps on crashing all the time? No thank you. Built-in apps that are just so bad that you HAVE to get replacements (Music, Podcasts,..)? No thank you.

And the list goes on and on. I literally have to reboot my phone 2-3 times a day. And all for what? Animated Emoticons. Who the F came up with that?

At this point, even Samsung might be better. That's what you get when a company that used to be run by a visionary then gets run by an operations guy.

Re: Ask HN: Why is iOS 11 such a mess?

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Post by rmetzler » Wed, Nov 08, 2017, 5:31 AM UTC

cthulha wrote: post #87

spyspy wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They've already been sitting on the same physical design for the past 4 years, from the 6 to the 8. I wonder why they waited so long to release a new chassis. The fact that they took so long and when it finally does come, they jack up the prices for what should have been standard annoys me.

I'd politely disagree with the assumptions underlying the question. Changing the physical proportions is a very big deal when you look at the long term impact on the development and app ecosystem. iOS developers can test their design on the SE, the Plus and the regular size and it will cover over 4 years of phones in the hands of users. And for what? Have people's hands changed shape or size? Once you've reached some…

I agree. I'm 193cm (6'4") and have large hands. I still like the iPhone SE much more than any bigger screen.

Re: Ask HN: Why is iOS 11 such a mess?

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Post by rmetzler » Wed, Nov 08, 2017, 5:34 AM UTC

egypturnash wrote: post #40

> Hitting airplane mode now drops connected bluetooth devices wait, isn't that expected behavior anyway? You're getting on an airplane and turning off all the radios; bluetooth operates via a radio.

I think the bug is, that Bluetooth is set to ON every morning. I have to deactivate it in order to save battery when I don't use it.

Re: Ask HN: Why is iOS 11 such a mess?

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Post by masonic » Wed, Nov 08, 2017, 5:44 AM UTC

majewsky wrote: post #73

bunderbunder wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You hit the airplane mode button, and then hit the Bluetooth button to re-enable Bluetooth but not other radios.

And then the airplane crashes. (Or so I'm told.)

Only if you also use the calculator.

Re: Ask HN: Why is iOS 11 such a mess?

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Post by markpapadakis » Wed, Nov 08, 2017, 5:48 AM UTC

jakobegger wrote: post #63

markpapadakis wrote: post #21

I use the iPhone 6s. It was responsive, and battery would last at least half the day just fine. Right after the upgrade, batter would last for maybe 1 hour, tops, 30 minutes on average. No minor upgrade fixed the problem, and apparently its a widespread one too. I am getting either the 8+ or the X, but I still think this is ridiculous at best.

Your battery is probably degraded, and no software update will fix it. Lion batteries just don‘t last forever. You can get a replacement battery for your phone for €25. If you don’t want to do the replacement yourself, any 3rd party repair shop will replace it in 15 minutes. You can also go to an authorized service provider, but that will cost €100 and take much more time.

Half a day, while far from ideal, was long enough for my needs. However, as soon as I upgraded, and not a minute earlier, the battery problem manifested. Now, it could be a coincidence and it is indeed just a problem specific to the battery, but its at best suspicious - the timing is. I will replace the batter anyway, and I am getting a new iPhone next week, I just don’t appreciate being “forced” to upgrade -- conveniently when the iPhone X came out, no less.

Re: Ask HN: Why is iOS 11 such a mess?

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Post by markpapadakis » Wed, Nov 08, 2017, 5:50 AM UTC

wbrocklebank wrote: post #45

leovander wrote: post #37

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>Right after the upgrade, batter would last for maybe 1 hour, tops, 30 minutes on average What are you doing on your phone for that type of battery life? My phone (iPhone 6 Plus) has definitely been slower, but my battery life seems to be the same post upgrade. My phone is mostly idle throughout the day.

On iPhone 7 Plus and iPad Pro battery was awful for me until I did a totally clean install and manually added back apps. Massive bore but fixed battery problems.

I tried that to no avail. Reset and install, no change whatsoever

Re: Ask HN: Why is iOS 11 such a mess?

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Post by LaSombra » Wed, Nov 08, 2017, 7:50 AM UTC

I wish Apple followed Google's lead here and detached some of the basic applications from iOS releases, like the calculator, Safari and others. In Google's case, that improved the quality of the Android experience ten-fold, IMHO.