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New Amazon Data Center Is Set to Have the Most Polluting Power Plant in the U.S.

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Post by ipaddr »

edmundsauto wrote: post #216
ipaddr wrote: post #162

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It’s interesting how you zero in on skin color rather than culture. Many of the other dog whistles at least try to focus on culture and religion, but you went right ahead to equate skin color as being the issue. Bravo!

I don't see Asian countries like Japan, Korea or China welcoming in masses of other nationalities. I see African countries trying to push out white populations. Iran/Iraq or Israel isn't opening their doors to Indians or Africans or .... I don't see India allowing Africans to migrate or Chinese or....

Why should white majority countries loses their white majority and power while other countries keep their nation states?

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Post by nativeit »

andsoitis wrote: post #145
Hnrobert42 wrote: post #121

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> Will my kids be an ethnic minority in their own country in the next generation - and if so, what's that going to be like for them? What about this is an essential concern for you? Like, what are the potential harms?

> > Will my kids be an ethnic minority in their own country in the next generation - and if so, what's that going to be like for them? > What about this is an essential concern for you? Like, what are the potential harms? European countries take great care in maintaining and strengthening their traditions and cultural heritage. That would be at risk. Now, whether or not that actually matters or not is debatable, but…

What are all these presently dominant cultures that are so fragile that the mere presence of others represents an existential threat? Sounds like an excuse for xenophobia more than a sincere concern.

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goatlover wrote: post #212
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What if I told you the history of humanity is migration and mixing? That populations don't stay the same over time? That there were even other hominids sharing the planet with for a long time, some of which migrated to places before we did.

History of humanity is conqoring other tribes. Those other hominds don't exist anymore with some humans carrying a small percentage of their dna.

White majority countries will become another majority race because people like yourself don't see any value in people with white skin. Other races do and they will represent the future. China is still going to be Chinese so is Japan going to remain Japanese, so is India going to remain Indian. They see their value. White majority countries have been told they have no value and they will disappear.

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Post by khriss »

xyzelement wrote: post #112
amarcheschi wrote: post #88

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I feel it is hard to grasp for an American how much perception of US shifted in eu. This is just anedoctal of course, but a famous Italian singer famous for having written a song about American and sexual liberation decades ago, wrote an updated version. The former is "America", the latter is "America INC." You can guess which one depicts America in a bad light. I wouldn't have expected a famous singer to make such a…

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> Will my kids be an ethnic minority in their own country in the next generation - and if so, what's that going to be like for them?

Are you sure they are not more concerned about 'Will my kids be able to get a good job, own a house and generally be at least as prosperous as me, if not more?'

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surgical_fire wrote: post #230
ipaddr wrote: post #227

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Just to clarify, you don't believe that the white population will be replaced in your country or you welcome it?

I both don't believe that the white population is being replaced, and even if it was, I don't care. I am not a racist, my family tree does not resemble a circle. Issues of migration and fertility rate are related to structural incentives and constraints, level of urbanization, economic development, etc. I want my country to prosper. It won't prosper by closing itself off to migration. I hope it attracts more research…

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Post by ipaddr »

khriss wrote: post #234
xyzelement wrote: post #112

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> Will my kids be an ethnic minority in their own country in the next generation - and if so, what's that going to be like for them? Are you sure they are not more concerned about 'Will my kids be able to get a good job, own a house and generally be at least as prosperous as me, if not more?'

But they won't get good jobs or own a house because they will be second class citizens. Your generation made poor choices and they will suffer.

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Post by xyzelement »

khriss wrote: post #234
xyzelement wrote: post #112

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> Will my kids be an ethnic minority in their own country in the next generation - and if so, what's that going to be like for them? Are you sure they are not more concerned about 'Will my kids be able to get a good job, own a house and generally be at least as prosperous as me, if not more?'

That's item 2.

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Post by ipaddr »

andsoitis wrote: post #181
DennisP wrote: post #122

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The US has been the foundation of European security since the beginning of NATO. Now Europe has good reason to think that American security guarantees are no longer reliable, and the US president keeps threatening to invade a European country, while Russia fights a war of aggression nearby. If I were European then I guess I'd find this rather more worrying than brown people moving in, or the struggles of car companie…

> If I were European then I guess I'd find this rather more worrying than brown people moving in What does "brown people" mean? It seems like such a superficially racist characterization.

In Europe it means Muslims and in North America is means South American. In China it means Indians.

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Post by roncesvalles »

vineyardmike wrote: post #9

Those in power seem to think that a compute advantage is necessary to maintain economic advantage. Despite this, the voters universally hate data centers, so much so that both NY and TX have data center construction moratoriums. Despite this, those in power refuse any environmentally aware energy policy nor water policy. Despite this, companies have been trying to be environmentally aware for either moral or marketin…

Exactly, this is all a symptom of underinvestment in grid capacity, and datacenter companies having to cobble together whatever electricity source they could get their hands on at the last minute.

It's a complete failure of the state in having any kind of foresight.

China, in comparison, has around 2X excess electric production capacity in their grid. That's what made mining Bitcoin, and now ultra-cheap LLM inference, economically viable.

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Post by simianwords »

throwaway173738 wrote: post #187
parineum wrote: post #157

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> Do you need to get it explicitly spelled out for you to realize that the environment and ecosystems everywhere are under extreme stress That's anthropomorphizing. The ecosystem cannot be stressed because it has no natural/good state. > And why the hell would the GDP be ANY good measurement, since it does not include any environmental costs (if I don't need to correctly dispose of my trash and can burn it cheaper, I…

The natural state of an ecosystem is one in which my native trees aren’t dying back every year until they get killed by massive insect infestations because they can’t access enough water to protect themselves in the summer anymore.

You care more about the beauty of the environment than people’s lives. It’s all about aesthetics for you. If you cared about lives you would bring up statistics.
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