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Re: About Coding House (2014)

#2
HOLY. SHIT.

I am sorry. :( 90% of these coding schools need to go. I thought my private school was bad.

Also, there are plenty of free sources for education. Definitely enough to get you started building your own applications. Hell, ever pluralsight is a better bargain.

Re: About Coding House (2014)

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post #2

HOLY. SHIT. I am sorry. :( 90% of these coding schools need to go. I thought my private school was bad. Also, there are plenty of free sources for education. Definitely enough to get you started building your own applications. Hell, ever pluralsight is a better bargain.

Agreed. I am incredibly dubious that "bootcamps" have any value whatsoever in any case, except maybe for introducing practicing developers to new technologies. I know tech is the hot place to be any more, but man it's amazing the number of charlatans that have started to show up surrounding "hot technology."

Re: About Coding House (2014)

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post #2

HOLY. SHIT. I am sorry. :( 90% of these coding schools need to go. I thought my private school was bad. Also, there are plenty of free sources for education. Definitely enough to get you started building your own applications. Hell, ever pluralsight is a better bargain.

Agreed. I am incredibly dubious that "bootcamps" have any value whatsoever in any case, except maybe for introducing practicing developers to new technologies. I know tech is the hot place to be any more, but man it's amazing the number of charlatans that have started to show up surrounding "hot technology."

Different people have different learning styles. And many people do not have an effective or appropriate learning environment where they can learn new tech through free resources. So I think direct-mentorship can be very helpful to some people; even it can help wade through what's out there to understand what's important to learn, how long you should spend learning x, etc.

But until this article, I had never thought much about bootcamps requiring accreditation, or the dangers of this type of training. Yikes!!

Thanks very much to the author for sharing this experience.

Re: About Coding House (2014)

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I'm trying to figure out what the relevant criteria should be for the decision of whether to go to a code school or not. I have a friend that sees how hot the market for talent is and wants to get in on it. I showed him mhartl's Rails tutorial but he's too busy to really dig in and when he does ends up burning a lot of time spinning his wheels.

I suggested two Atlanta-area code schools, both of whom have been around several years and are well-connected with the development community. The problem with a code school is the same reason why there's a market for code schools at all. The market for talent is so hot that the people you want to be instructors can make way more money elsewhere than you could ever pay them. So you should know you're signing up for sub-standard instruction even before you start looking for one.

I still think my friend would be well-served at one of these spots, I've offered to help him out, but he's just too busy, he needs a situation that will force him to focus that has people on hand to help him cut through the noise. Then his natural intelligence will start coming through and he'll be able to make progress on learning.

Code school is an option, but you still really need to be resourceful and able to pick stuff up on your own because your instructor is pretty much guaranteed to be of the amateur-hobbyist variety.

Re: About Coding House (2014)

#6
The OP says they were required on a daily basis to fill out a Google form that asked them things like how many tweets and reddit posts they made the previous day. And there's the LOL-worthy question, "What is your Klout score today?"

If Groucho Marx were alive, he'd say "I refuse to join any club that would care about my Klout score"

Besides all of what OP posted in terms of Coding House being a joke, another sign would be that such questions had to be asked and put into a Google form...all of those metrics could have been automated in their collection. In fact, that should be one of the assignments for any proper coding school.

Re: About Coding House (2014)

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I'm trying to figure out what the relevant criteria should be for the decision of whether to go to a code school or not. I have a friend that sees how hot the market for talent is and wants to get in on it. I showed him mhartl's Rails tutorial but he's too busy to really dig in and when he does ends up burning a lot of time spinning his wheels. I suggested two Atlanta-area code schools, both of whom have been around…

"So you should know you're signing up for sub-standard instruction even before you start looking for one... your instructor is pretty much guaranteed to be of the amateur-hobbyist variety"

I don't think this is a fair assessment, especially at the more established code schools.

For one, the instructors are probably making more than you think they are, so the difference between what they could get for a full-time gig and what they could get as instructors likely isn't that differently.

You also need a very special skill set to be an instructor at these kind of schools. You need to know the code very well, but you also need to be a good instructor which is a completely different skill set (communication, patience, understanding of how and when to introduce concepts). A vast bulk of the talent at the very top end you're referring to who would be completely unaffordable for the coding schools may not have that second component.

But, you're right in your suggestion that you choose a good school. The number of code schools, in my opinion, has become far too crowded and I expect that within the year we'll start to see most of the schools either go under or merge.

(As a disclaimer, I (until recently) worked at General Assembly which runs coding schools in several cities, but I don't speak for them and I never worked directly on the Web Development Immersive program during my time at GA, though I did take it and was happy with the outcome.)

Re: About Coding House (2014)

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post #2

HOLY. SHIT. I am sorry. :( 90% of these coding schools need to go. I thought my private school was bad. Also, there are plenty of free sources for education. Definitely enough to get you started building your own applications. Hell, ever pluralsight is a better bargain.

Agreed. I am incredibly dubious that "bootcamps" have any value whatsoever in any case, except maybe for introducing practicing developers to new technologies. I know tech is the hot place to be any more, but man it's amazing the number of charlatans that have started to show up surrounding "hot technology."

The value is pretty easy to understand. If one sees more value in participating in a structured and relatively grueling X week course, networking with a lot of apparently well-connected people in the industry, potential employment opportunities upon completion vs. spending however long doing free-learning, figuring out something to build, continue to build a portfolio, having to market yourself/prove your worth for employment, etc. This is all not even getting into the quality of the programs. For those who want everything laid out for them, there's definite more value vs. doing it the old-fashioned way.

With all that said, I have my own also not positive opinions about the proliferation of these schools and how they affect the industry as a whole. I just think that there is a fair-ish tradeoff (granted one picks the right "school").

Re: About Coding House (2014)

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post #2

HOLY. SHIT. I am sorry. :( 90% of these coding schools need to go. I thought my private school was bad. Also, there are plenty of free sources for education. Definitely enough to get you started building your own applications. Hell, ever pluralsight is a better bargain.

Agreed. I am incredibly dubious that "bootcamps" have any value whatsoever in any case, except maybe for introducing practicing developers to new technologies. I know tech is the hot place to be any more, but man it's amazing the number of charlatans that have started to show up surrounding "hot technology."

I think caveat emptor absolutely applies with bootcamps, but there are also ones that are certainly worth the money. I'm a recent App Academy grad (full disclosure) and almost all of my cohort are now at high-paying jobs at companies they love, including Google, Groupon and Tumblr. (I'm still looking for work right now, but only because of extenuating personal circumstances.)

Having talked with my friends who are working now, there are definitely things a/A doesn't teach you much about (e.g. deployment/devops, advanced Git) but on the whole we all feel like we learned more than enough to prepare ourselves for working in software development. I've heard very good things about Hack Reactor as well, though they expect you to come in with some coding experience already.

So yes, there are good/great ones out there, but I'd agree that your bullshit detector should be set very high if you're looking into bootcamps.

Re: About Coding House (2014)

#10
EDIT: Turns out this Quora review is written by a different Jose who attended Coding House. My bad!

Was this review by Jose written under duress or legally compelled somehow?

http://www.quora.com/Reviews-of-Coding-House

It is written by the OP, but it is quite positive and recommends the experience from Coding House. It was written in April 2015. The article was from September 2014.

Something is off here...

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