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We'll need a universal basic income (UBI) in an AI-driven world

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We'll need a universal basic income (UBI) in an AI-driven world

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I read on windowscentral "...We'll need a universal basic income (UBI) in an AI-driven world".

Eventually, at some point. Most of industry would have been disrupted/automated.

There should be a working group of the major players/stake holders in the space working out a model of how that would work.

I work in tech and I don't see that happening for another decade and half or so.

Care to ruminate?

└── Dey well

Re: We'll need a universal basic income (UBI) in an AI-driven world

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Sure. Where does the money come from if nobody is working?

2022 "We need to do a socialism bc climate change!" 2025 "We need to do a socialism bc AI!"

TBC IMO human caused climate change and other forms of environmental damage are very real and worthy of our best solutions, but the idea that collectivism solves environment, that collectivist govts would never decide to damage the environment in pursuit of short term aims is laughable.

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Sure. Where does the money come from if nobody is working?

Plenty of people will be working, just not everyone will make the jump to a post-AI society, especially older folks I imagine.

I seem to remember a Star Trek episode (not sure which series) where a character is talking about how they’ve evolved past the need for money. Badly paraphrased, and maybe just as badly remembered, but my thought at the time was that if no one is getting paid, how do get low level crew members to sign on? I’d much rather be an officer than scrubbing torpedo tubes.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Plenty of people will be working, just not everyone will make the jump to a post-AI society, especially older folks I imagine.

I seem to remember a Star Trek episode (not sure which series) where a character is talking about how they’ve evolved past the need for money. Badly paraphrased, and maybe just as badly remembered, but my thought at the time was that if no one is getting paid, how do get low level crew members to sign on? I’d much rather be an officer than scrubbing torpedo tubes.

Isn't it that you sign up for Star Fleet, go through school, take tests, and then get assigned to a position?

Not everybody is in Star Fleet, so I assume people want the ability to travel the stars and they'd be happy enough scrubbing torpedo tubes.

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Sure. Where does the money come from if nobody is working?

@billy99k Great question; funding UBI is the crux of the debate.

In Nigeria, I’ve seen industries like taxi services get upended by apps like Uber and Bolt, leaving union leaders/cabals scrambling for the scraps.

AI could amplify this, automating jobs faster than new ones emerge.

One idea is taxing automated systems—say, a levy on AI-driven platforms or robots replacing workers.

This could redistribute wealth without assuming zero employment. For example, Nigeria’s government already taxes digital platforms; scaling that to fund UBI isn’t unthinkable.

What do you think about targeting automation profits specifically?

└── Yarn me

Re: We'll need a universal basic income (UBI) in an AI-driven world

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post #2

Sure. Where does the money come from if nobody is working?

With AI/robots doing all the work, money can be created and distributed based on production and logistical efficiency.

@t-3 We share similar logic.
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