Disallusioned with Julia anyone got thoughts on Carbon?

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Post by mrsofty » Fri, Mar 03, 2023, 1:09 PM UTC

Hi all we've examined Julia for a while now and decided it's time to move on. Anyone looked at Carbon? Maybe moving on from Python, ObjectiveC or C++.

Re: Disallusioned with Julia anyone got thoughts on Carbon?

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Post by TheUndead96 » Fri, Mar 03, 2023, 1:38 PM UTC

I'm not sure I understand the premise of the question. What parts of Julia seem to be lacking?

Re: Disallusioned with Julia anyone got thoughts on Carbon?

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Post by nraynaud » Fri, Mar 03, 2023, 1:39 PM UTC

care to elaborate on Julia? I was disappointed that a GC math-oriented language would have such a poor memory performance, but some stuff was nice, like the vectoring operations.

Re: Disallusioned with Julia anyone got thoughts on Carbon?

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Post by 0xf00ff00f » Fri, Mar 03, 2023, 1:43 PM UTC

Carbon looks interesting but there's no working compiler yet.

Re: Disallusioned with Julia anyone got thoughts on Carbon?

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Post by npalli » Fri, Mar 03, 2023, 1:48 PM UTC

You should explain what did not work with Julia since there is extreme likelihood the situation will be worse with Carbon, given Carbon is just getting started. The best option might be to stick with Python (or C++)

Re: Disallusioned with Julia anyone got thoughts on Carbon?

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Post by theonewolf » Fri, Mar 03, 2023, 1:48 PM UTC

Is this a personal or business decision you are talking about?

Can you elaborate the cons that made you decide to move away from Python, C++, and Julia?

Julia makes sense to me, as the youngest production language and community.

But Python? It is the #1 most popular programming language globally. C++ is also very popular. This means you can easily find people to hire globally (making business easier and more economical). You can also easily find code doing almost anything you want---speeding up time to value and time to ship.

I'm wondering what cons are driving your decisions to move on from Python and C++?

Re: Disallusioned with Julia anyone got thoughts on Carbon?

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Post by ngrilly » Fri, Mar 03, 2023, 1:49 PM UTC

Carbon seems much more "low-level" and less "dynamic" than Julia? They don't seem to play in the same domain. If you're looking for a lower-level language than Julia, supporting operations on vectors, Zig is interested (usable but still in development): https://ziglang.org/documentation/master/#Vectors. But it relies on manual memory management (no garbage collector).

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Post by olaf » Fri, Mar 03, 2023, 1:54 PM UTC

I didn't find a solution to read in a .png-file and iterate over the rows and in every row over the columns, is the low level stuff somehow hidden? Found some higher level stuff libraries here and there, but if it's not easy to do some low level operations, the language would be useless for me.

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Post by brabel » Fri, Mar 03, 2023, 1:54 PM UTC

If you're going to consider obscure languages, and you liked Julia theoretical features but got disappointed by the implementation and perhaps instability, I suspect you will enjoy Common Lisp.

Check this out: https://lispcookbook.github.io/cl-cookbook/numbers.html

Re: Disallusioned with Julia anyone got thoughts on Carbon?

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Post by stephencanon » Fri, Mar 03, 2023, 1:55 PM UTC

Julia and Carbon fill very different niches. Can you say something about the type of work you’re doing that these would be the two languages you’re looking at?