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The position is Senior SW Dev so this seems pretty ridiculous to me. Question is whether this is a red flag for the place altogether. I keep thinking what kind of place asks a senior dev for such a paper? This feels like a no substance place where senseless bureaucracy is running a tech org. Not a good sign...
What do you think?
PS: throw away acct
It seems like such a minor thing that you could get it clarified by calling them instead of posting on HN.
For example they will pay more someone with a master degree than someone with a bachelor degree. And they want proofs of your degrees because sometimes people lie.
The rules may be stupid and you may think they are unnecessary, but it’s not a red flag IMHO.
I think it’s funny that they think adults are still in possession of such documents. But it sounds like a red flag. Here’s the test: just tell them no, you’re not going to provide that. The response will decide for you whether you should work there. (In other words, if they say it’s really a requirement, and you can’t work here without producing the document, then walk. If they say, haha, we don’t really need it, wel…
I think it’s funny that they think adults are still in possession of such documents. But it sounds like a red flag. Here’s the test: just tell them no, you’re not going to provide that. The response will decide for you whether you should work there. (In other words, if they say it’s really a requirement, and you can’t work here without producing the document, then walk. If they say, haha, we don’t really need it, wel…
I fully agree that asking about it is step one. But if they say it is required, just deal with it. Not being willing to jump through a couple hoops of red tape to get onboarded to a job is a red flag on the candidate. It may be silly/stupid, but bureaucracy is real. Is it really so much work to call your school, ask for a copy, and send it along that you would decline a job over it?
I did not suggest asking. I suggested telling them “no”.
I think it’s funny that they think adults are still in possession of such documents. But it sounds like a red flag. Here’s the test: just tell them no, you’re not going to provide that. The response will decide for you whether you should work there. (In other words, if they say it’s really a requirement, and you can’t work here without producing the document, then walk. If they say, haha, we don’t really need it, wel…
I fully agree that asking about it is step one. But if they say it is required, just deal with it. Not being willing to jump through a couple hoops of red tape to get onboarded to a job is a red flag on the candidate. It may be silly/stupid, but bureaucracy is real. Is it really so much work to call your school, ask for a copy, and send it along that you would decline a job over it?
Depending on the country of residence, it really can be a lot of work. For example, I live in one such country where frequent demands for arcane documents coexist with high levels of negligence and shoddiness in preparing those documents. A document of a local routine event that happened 25 years ago can be very difficult to obtain here.
I hope most recruiters who are ready to recruit across borders are not making reductionist assumptions about other bureaucracies.
8 times out of 10, saying no to these ridiculous demands gets accepted. But I have had cases where the recruiter would simply say they cannot proceed without getting everything they asked for.
I think it depends on your situation. Do you really need that job? If you're confident of finding another job, then it would make sense to tell them to get lost. I used to give them everything they asked for, I don't do that anymore. These shitty behavior can only be stopped if more people say no. What are they gonna do with a 20-25 year old high school diploma? Makes no sense, it is just some kind of power trip...
This is getting worse and worse. I have been asked my full SSN, passport number, graduate and postgraduate diplomas and the funniest of them all - COVID vaccination card, for a remote job. lol. 8 times out of 10, saying no to these ridiculous demands gets accepted. But I have had cases where the recruiter would simply say they cannot proceed without getting everything they asked for. I think it depends on your situat…
I know that this response, the only dignified response, is unusual, and that troubles me. I know because of the reaction I receive when the cashier at the supermarket asks me for my zip code and I refuse to supply it, for just one out of many examples.
This is getting worse and worse. I have been asked my full SSN, passport number, graduate and postgraduate diplomas and the funniest of them all - COVID vaccination card, for a remote job. lol. 8 times out of 10, saying no to these ridiculous demands gets accepted. But I have had cases where the recruiter would simply say they cannot proceed without getting everything they asked for. I think it depends on your situat…
Well said. There is power in saying “no”, and it seems sometimes that we’ve forgotten that that’s an option. We are constantly on the receiving end of demands by entities that assume they have the authority to expect a cooperative response: “What is your race? What is your SS number? What are your pronouns? What is your phone number? Rate us on a scale of 1 to 5.” In most cases, “no” is the most polite response that…
Another recruiter asked for my address (I had already given them my zip) to “send laptop”. I asked them why they need it before even the interview, they had no answer.
And on and on and on. If this is how people getting six figures in a hot industry get treated, how about the unfortunate people working for much less?
Humanity can be very depressing sometimes