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Launch HN: Carbon Crusher (YC W22) – Carbon Negative Roads

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Launch HN: Carbon Crusher (YC W22) – Carbon Negative Roads

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Hi HN community, we are Haakon, Hans Arne and Kris, co-founders of Carbon Crusher (https://www.carboncrusher.io). We are developing and scaling a technology and process that refurbishes roads in a carbon negative way.

Roads with cracks and bumps are often a result of unstable ground beneath the road surface. There are currently many ways of repairing such roads, all which are polluting. You can exchange all of the road, or mill up and reclaim parts of the road and bind it together with a substance with “glue-like” properties such as bitumen, or you could add new asphalt, concrete or gravel on top of the cracks and bumps, then you’ll likely get the same cracks and bumps a year later, since this doesn’t stabilize the soil beneath.

Our method is an enhanced, new way of full depth reclamation, with two main advantages: 1) Our proprietary built Crusher can chew and crush pretty much everything including stone and mountain surfaces, meaning we do not have to extract, transport and add any new masses and can re-use all of the road, even in rugged terrain like mountainside Norway. 2) Our binder. It’s based on lignin, a waste product from the paper industry, constituting around 1/3 of the volumes from trees. The majority of lignin is burnt, we make use of it as a binder in our roads instead, binding the carbon absorbed by the trees from the air. Our binder has no negative impact on vegetation, animals, humans or equipment. It is actually so harmless that our test-pilot Hans Arne often takes a sip of it to prove it to our customers and competitors! But it does not taste very good..

Here you see a video of our Crusher crushing large rocks (thrown in by Hans Arne): https://drive.google.com/file/d/1O1uWT5PARDWWHshac128hhv1tRk...

In combination, this results in approximately 20% lower cost compared to traditional methods, roads that on average last longer between each time they need repairs, and a reduction of Co2 equivalents from ~7-10kg positive to 5kg negative pr m2, or approximately 1 tonne net negative per 60 feet we refurbish, of a 2 lane road.

We are innovating to improve efficiency and the carbon effect of both the Crusher and the binder. For the Crusher we are working on making it smarter in addition to being powerful, with more and smarter sensor tech and from being dragged behind a tractor towards being autonomous, which could increase efficiency by 40-50%. For the binder we are experimenting with new combinations to store more CO2, adding to the lignin base we use now. We are looking at a range of new biological additions such as other types of refined lignin, other carbon negative materials and potentially programmable carbon negative molecules that can mimic the favorable binding properties, and we aim for a 5x increase in carbon capture efficiency within a few years.

We’re three climate vikings from Norway with big hearts, bound together from earlier tech adventures. Kris dropped out of college at age 19 to found his first software company, and met his hardware match Hans on another project 10 years ago. Kris invested when Haakon co-founded Katapult and started scaling sustainability and tech companies 6 years ago, and early last year we all excitedly decided to join forces to build Carbon Crusher. The very first road though, refurbished with our method, was made 14 years back in Hans Arnes hometown, “Heart Valley” in Norway. Being able today to drive, touch it and see how good it still is, is a nice unique competitive edge for us and that our recent customers appreciate. Even if volumes have been limited so far it’s good to also have actual recent happy customers (municipalities, cities, counties and a few industrial companies) as ambassadors, as the road business is very conservative; we have sometimes struggled with being nicknamed “the tree glue folks”….

To scale our impact faster, we are working on changing from one off tender projects where we do the full refurbishment service for our customers, public or private road owners, towards a crushing as a service model with longer term contracts, licensing of tech to contractors and less people and hardware involved from our side.

On the product expansion side, we are currently most excited about developing software using satellite imagery that can monitor road health and identify repair needs for road owners effectively and give instant quotes and Co2 savings potential, we call it “SkyRoads”. Further, we are working on new complementary road tech that can enhance and add to the carbon potential from our solution. This includes sustainable top layers and capturing and dissemination of energy captured by the roads.

We want to re-invent the way we think about the 44 million miles of roads covering our planet, directly emitting over 400 million tonnes CO2 every year in building and maintenance, indirectly more through heat reflection. Our goal would be to 5x the carbon reduction potential of our current solution, using roads as a platform for a host of technologies on carbon reduction. On an annual basis, that could be 2 Gt each year. It’s a very conservative industry with limited innovation, especially on the climate side, and we believe someone needs to make those stretched targets.

All this inspires us; to make our planet’s roads, which is often overlooked in climate discussion, a part of the solution. It will require hardware, biotech and software innovation, and that excites us. If we succeed, our direct and indirect carbon impact will contribute in a meaningful way to our shared climate challenges.

We are super excited to launch this and be part of the YC community. Hopefully this post gave you some new interest in sustainable road tech. Please do reach out with any questions and we'll try our best to answer! You are also more than welcome to reach us also by email any time on contact@carboncrushing.com. Thanks!

Re: Launch HN: Carbon Crusher (YC W22) – Carbon Negative Roads

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I love to see creative approaches like this! A couple of naive questions:

1. How long will the carbon remain bound / out of the atmosphere?

2. How quickly can you scale, and what are the limiting factors that (if eased) would allow you to scale faster? (Hiring, refining the tech, refining the business proposition, finding customers, building hardware, ...)

Re: Launch HN: Carbon Crusher (YC W22) – Carbon Negative Roads

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post #2

I love to see creative approaches like this! A couple of naive questions: 1. How long will the carbon remain bound / out of the atmosphere? 2. How quickly can you scale, and what are the limiting factors that (if eased) would allow you to scale faster? (Hiring, refining the tech, refining the business proposition, finding customers, building hardware, ...)

1. Great question! Different academic experts claim lignin would be very stable in roads and stay there for a long time, and that when some degradation eventually happens, it will sequester downwards and become part of the soil. Deepdive: We have made roads 14 years ago which are still stable and in good quality today, indicating there hasn't been much degradation of the lignin to speak of. Adding here also a quote from an academic paper: “... the end-product of lignin decomposition in nature contains partially decomposed, fragmented lignin (humus) that enters the soil cycle, and remains in this layer for many years. Release of H2O and CO2 as decomposition products in this layer is extremely limited. Soil bacteria, microfauna, and even physical processes may play important roles in the final breakdown of humus. This is a slow process and some lignin degradation products have soil residence times of centuries (Ziekus, 1981).” - So, while we don't have the complete answer to speed of degradation yet (workin on it!), it seems it would stay beneath the ground far more than long enough to help our planet.

Re: Launch HN: Carbon Crusher (YC W22) – Carbon Negative Roads

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Your success will depend on some claims you are making. I really hope you are just brief here, and have it amply written up elsewhere with real data. It always a major let-down when I meet with the inventors/idea folks and I find out there is a lot of hand-waving about claims, facts, and data.

Good luck!

Re: Launch HN: Carbon Crusher (YC W22) – Carbon Negative Roads

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post #2

I love to see creative approaches like this! A couple of naive questions: 1. How long will the carbon remain bound / out of the atmosphere? 2. How quickly can you scale, and what are the limiting factors that (if eased) would allow you to scale faster? (Hiring, refining the tech, refining the business proposition, finding customers, building hardware, ...)

2. With the Crushers we have today, we can reduce 25.000 tonnes this year, but we could in theory make 10x more Crushers for next year taking us to 250.000 tonnes next year. The demand is definetely there, scaling the sales & operation is the thing we work hard on. That's also why we are working on launching our crushing as a service model which will ease both operations and logistics globally. Refining and building hardware is not a limiting factor per se.

Re: Launch HN: Carbon Crusher (YC W22) – Carbon Negative Roads

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Very cool project!

In the attached video, was that crushing only or was lignin binder being mixed in as well? The output looks dark but kind of powdery, I would guess that's soil being mixed in, because I don't see a fluid tank on the back of that tractor.

It looks like resulting the particle size is quite small - I would assume that some amount of aggregate would be tolerable or even beneficial for material strength. Are there gravel sized bits under the top surface? Is the output uniform or are there distinct layers.

How long does the resulting road need to "set" before cars can start driving on it, and how does that compare to traditional techniques?

Demo video shows a ~2m wide output, is this system capable of making multilane roads yet?

Wish you the best, very clever idea. :D

Re: Launch HN: Carbon Crusher (YC W22) – Carbon Negative Roads

#9
How do you propose to deal with fungi/ bacteria which have no issue digesting lignin?

Likewise, what would your source of lignin material? How do the transportation and processing costs impact your ability to generate the parent materials for this process?

Re: Launch HN: Carbon Crusher (YC W22) – Carbon Negative Roads

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post #2

I love to see creative approaches like this! A couple of naive questions: 1. How long will the carbon remain bound / out of the atmosphere? 2. How quickly can you scale, and what are the limiting factors that (if eased) would allow you to scale faster? (Hiring, refining the tech, refining the business proposition, finding customers, building hardware, ...)

1. Great question! Different academic experts claim lignin would be very stable in roads and stay there for a long time, and that when some degradation eventually happens, it will sequester downwards and become part of the soil. Deepdive: We have made roads 14 years ago which are still stable and in good quality today, indicating there hasn't been much degradation of the lignin to speak of. Adding here also a quote f…

Where is the road made 14 years ago? Does lignin resist fungus/bacteria in a hot humid place like Brazil?
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