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Is it normal for companies to change their compensation package after starting?

#1
I started in 2020 and my offer letter had my salary and an amt of stock for me to vest..This is a public company..A few months after I signed , they significantly reduced the amount of stock to grant me by about 50 %..Company cited that it would not be fair for other employees because stock price had fluctuated too much in my favor..Legally I cant do anything bc my offer letter said RSU grant was at the discretion of the board..I was told to wait and someone would fix this but I have given up hope now..I have never worked at a large company before..Is this normal behavior at large companys ?

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#2
Just because they say at board discretion, doesn't mean they can just arbitrarily recall your original offer (whatever the terms were). Speak with a local lawyer in your Jurisdiction. It's most definitely not normal behavior in any company.

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#3

Just because they say at board discretion, doesn't mean they can just arbitrarily recall your original offer (whatever the terms were). Speak with a local lawyer in your Jurisdiction. It's most definitely not normal behavior in any company.

This is not true, it really is at board discretion. Generally speaking many companies hesitate to even put stock offers in writing because of stuff like this. Whether they can do it legally (they can) and whether it's okay (it's not) are different here.

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#4
It's a bit scummy but I doubt you can do a whole lot about it. Companies like Stripe are doing a variant of this where the number of shares that vest will be dynamically adjusted every year based on a target value dollar number. The question is, will they grant you more shares than offered if the stock value goes below that you joined at? Can you get an answer to that in writing? If so, it may be worthwhile to stay, because you essentially make a guaranteed amount of money in the form of equity every year.

EDIT: This is very unusual for large public companies. This is the first time I have heard of such a practice.

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#5
Yes, this is fairly normal.

I work for a big company that has a reputation for doing the right thing, which might have been true in the past but doesn't seem to apply now. I have seen them change grade structures, change promotion amounts, and change the pay/bonus structure all to the employees detriment. They always try to put some positive spin on it. I remember I brought up the topic of a raise with one boss because I was low in the pay scale for that grade. His response was that this was a good thing because it gave me room to grow. Seriously? I'd rather be near the top of the scale and not grow very much. Same thing for when we used to be able to count on 3 10% promotions but then they changed it to 4 7% promotions to get to similar compensation (it's actually below because the bonus isn't as good, not to mention it takes years longer to hit that 4th level).

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Contrary to other replies, this is not remotely normal. Make sure you aren't misunderstanding the terms of your offer: some companies will say $x dollars worth of stock, with stock price determined by e.g. a 90-day running average. If there's a clause like that, and the stock went up so much since you joined (or signed the offer letter, depending on the terms) that the average price over the last 90 (or whatever) days is 2x higher than it was initially, then there's nothing shady going on.

If they didn't specify how they're determining a stock price to derive a # of shares from, or if they actually specified a number of shares rather than a dollar amount, then no, that's not normal. Get out and go somewhere else that doesn't play stupid games.

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#8
RSUs are a way for companies to mitigate compensation risk. When times are bad and the stock is down, so is your pay. It comes as the cost of higher compensation when times are good.

I do not think this is normal and appropriate. The board would have no problem paying you less if the stock declined.

Management that goes back on its agreements is not a management that you want to work for.

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Contrary to other replies, this is not remotely normal. Make sure you aren't misunderstanding the terms of your offer: some companies will say $x dollars worth of stock, with stock price determined by e.g. a 90-day running average. If there's a clause like that, and the stock went up so much since you joined (or signed the offer letter, depending on the terms) that the average price over the last 90 (or whatever) day…

The terms were very clear..30 day avg for $x worth of stock so it was very easy to calculate what it shuld have been..

they changed the avg in their favor afterwards bc we joined on covid dip..

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