Deplatforming Is Wrong

#1

Post by riffnote » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 6:08 AM UTC

While I don't use Parler, it probably serves an important social purpose for 95 percent of its members: being a place where they can be heard and not feel isolated.

Deplatforming isolates people at the worst time ever, during a global pandemic. It shuts up a huge swath of the American population who need to be heard and understood. Big tech is wrong here. They are not our saviours. They are not defenders of democracy and freedom.

Please see this for what it is: groupthink on a grand scale.

Re: Deplatforming Is Wrong

#2

Post by mproud » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 6:17 AM UTC

When a platform refuses to monitor and remove seditious activity and incitement for violence is when they fail and need to be dropped.

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#3

Post by riffnote » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 6:21 AM UTC

mproud wrote: post #2

When a platform refuses to monitor and remove seditious activity and incitement for violence is when they fail and need to be dropped.

HN is a hotbed for groupthink. That is just as dangerous, even moreso.

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#4

Post by cable2600 » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 6:24 AM UTC

Companies don't want to be tied to hate speech or speech that causes people to riot. It may not seem fair, but companies are private and not a part of the government so there is no freedom of speech.

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#5

Post by grepnork » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 6:29 AM UTC

In the UK Bolt is an alt-Uber app, which for some journeys is cheaper than Uber.

I had an interesting conversation with a Bolt driver recently, after he remarked surprise that I was a 'decent' passenger; it turns out Bolt is the app for everyone banned from Uber.

Many of the drivers work multiple apps and apparently quite a few are refusing to pickup Bolts or treating Bolts with suspicion because Bolt doesn't have the same driver protections as Uber.

When I ran a nightclub ~20 years ago we would share photos of people we had banned, so other venues would also ban those patrons. That left them to the 'trouble pubs' which were consequently heavily policed. What is happening now is no different.

Ultimately there are groups of people within society that can't behave themselves and ruin the experience of [whatever] for everyone else, and society acts accordingly.

Re: Deplatforming Is Wrong

#6

Post by riffnote » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 6:32 AM UTC

cable2600 wrote: post #4

Companies don't want to be tied to hate speech or speech that causes people to riot. It may not seem fair, but companies are private and not a part of the government so there is no freedom of speech.

Google, Facebook, Apple etc are already deeply influencing the way we think. Deplatforming discussion forums for people who feel isolated and misunderstood is a bold step towards mass compliance and brainwashing.

I feel sorry for radicalized Republicans. They can be reached. Banning, deplatforming and isolating is the opposite of what we should be doing. Big tech should be creating more platforms for them, and more outlets for expression and diversification, not less.

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#7

Post by SubGenius » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 6:52 AM UTC

Deplatforming is a net positive (to me personally) if it helps establish more decentralized and free networks of communication.

I feel like the timing is almost right, with all the emerging technologies from the past few years (matrix, fediverse etc) just reaching stability.

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#8

Post by badraig » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 7:13 AM UTC

This article explains that groupthink and self-justification very well:

https://threader.app/thread/1347912743605698560

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#9

Post by kangaroozach » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 7:14 AM UTC

mproud wrote: post #2

When a platform refuses to monitor and remove seditious activity and incitement for violence is when they fail and need to be dropped.

Can you cite or link to What Trump said to incite the siege on the capital (as opposed to just getting people to its steps peacefully as he’s been talking about for 2 weeks)?

Honest question...I literally can’t find it anywhere.

I want to know what he said to incite violence. I assume he broke the law in-doing so as it’s illegal to call for violence I think.

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#10

Post by kangaroozach » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 7:17 AM UTC

SubGenius wrote: post #7

Deplatforming is a net positive (to me personally) if it helps establish more decentralized and free networks of communication. I feel like the timing is almost right, with all the emerging technologies from the past few years (matrix, fediverse etc) just reaching stability.

So true. It will accelerate the tech. Just wait until Musk enters the game.