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What features/instructions of x86 ISA are dead?
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Re: What features/instructions of x86 ISA are dead?
#2Two off the top of my head:
ENTER/LEAVE
BCD-style opcodes
Re: What features/instructions of x86 ISA are dead?
#3I wonder why Intel/AMD don't remove unused features and call it x86-64 v2. Apple seems to be doing fine with ditching things. Why can't we have a newer x86 processor that requires a recompile?
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#4I wonder why Intel/AMD don't remove unused features and call it x86-64 v2. Apple seems to be doing fine with ditching things. Why can't we have a newer x86 processor that requires a recompile?
Some of that did actually happen with AMD64, so dropping 32bit support would be a step in that direction.
Almost no one else is in Apple’s position of vertical integration though, except perhaps for the console makers.
Re: What features/instructions of x86 ISA are dead?
#5I wonder why Intel/AMD don't remove unused features and call it x86-64 v2. Apple seems to be doing fine with ditching things. Why can't we have a newer x86 processor that requires a recompile?
Some of that did actually happen with AMD64, so dropping 32bit support would be a step in that direction. Almost no one else is in Apple’s position of vertical integration though, except perhaps for the console makers.
With AMD64? I thought that was completely backwards compatible with x86. Or do you mean IA-64?
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#6I wonder why Intel/AMD don't remove unused features and call it x86-64 v2. Apple seems to be doing fine with ditching things. Why can't we have a newer x86 processor that requires a recompile?
Mostly because it probably doesn't hurt anything to have those instructions still there, or at least the cost of having to deal with the lone enterprise customers that still use the instruction in their legacy apps is bigger.
There are a whole lot of gates available for use: every time you shrink the processor you make space for more. I bet those old unused instructions don't really occupy a lot of them, and perhaps some of them are only implemented in microcode in terms of actually used instructions. There is no pressure to make semi-dead instructions fast.
I am not an expert here but I'm semi-confident my answer is accurate. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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#7Earlier quoted context omitted.
Some of that did actually happen with AMD64, so dropping 32bit support would be a step in that direction. Almost no one else is in Apple’s position of vertical integration though, except perhaps for the console makers.
With AMD64? I thought that was completely backwards compatible with x86. Or do you mean IA-64?
The CPUs can also run x86, but the AMD64 instruction set itself (now commonly and incorrectly called x86-64) is significantly cleaned up.