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As a developer for some sleepy enterprise apps, I am very impressed at how companies like Zoom, Microsoft, and such can scale to handle this increased load so gracefully. I'm guessing this is just their website and not their actual app backend, but I'd imagine they had a huge spike there, too.

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While zoom has faced many privacy concerns in the last few weeks, it is incredible how reliable the service has been given the massive spike in demand.

Most services would have buckled (examples abound like robinhoods recent outage) and part of their stack would have not been able to handle the load.

On top of that they are in new customer segments that I bet they didn’t see as their user base. I know more than a few elementary school teachers who are now hosting zoom classes with 15+ 5 year olds on a call.

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That's only http traffic to the website, not people connecting via the app or via phone call.

Most people use only the app or a phone call, for example to join a conference call hosted by someone else. Beyond business people on company-hosted calls, think students taking remote classes, grandmas connecting with their whole families, friends joining virtual happy hours, people playing social games, and so on.

Worldwide, I wouldn't be shocked to find out that a couple billion people have recently used Zoom.

Zoom has handled this ludicrous growth impressively well.

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EDIT: Changed "suspect" to "wouldn't be shocked to find out," which more accurately reflects what I meant to write.

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While zoom has faced many privacy concerns in the last few weeks, it is incredible how reliable the service has been given the massive spike in demand. Most services would have buckled (examples abound like robinhoods recent outage) and part of their stack would have not been able to handle the load. On top of that they are in new customer segments that I bet they didn’t see as their user base. I know more than a few…

> I know more than a few elementary school teachers who are now hosting zoom classes with 15+ 5 year olds on a call.

Given the ease of setup of Zoom which defaulted to a machine-guessable URL which displayed email and other information about participants, this is one reason Zoom is rightly being scrutinized and criticized for poor security.

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I've commented in the past about Zoom's close ties with China (beyond its engineering staff) but I didn't have sources, so I conceded and redacted some specifics: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22738420

WSJ just wrote an article interviewing the CEO and other security experts on this topic. Some interesting excerpts:

> In the U.S., 27 attorney general’s offices have raised questions about privacy issues, Zoom said, adding it is cooperating with authorities.

> Security researchers also have scrutinized Zoom’s links to China. Researchers at the Citizen Lab, a security research group affiliated with the University of Toronto, on Friday said Zoom used an encryption technology that is considered substandard, and that in certain circumstances the company stored encryption keys—long strings of numbers and characters that can be used to access encoded communications—on servers based in China.

> Brendan Ittelson, head of technical support at Zoom, said because of the distributed nature of the company’s infrastructure, meeting data can be routed through different data centers around the world. Zoom’s system first tries to send this data locally, but if the connections fail, the backup route might send it elsewhere.

> Zoom had created a system to prevent this data from being sent through China when calls originate in the U.S. But when traffic surged starting in February, some data was mistakenly routed that way, the company said, adding that it has remedied the problem. Critics also have questioned whether Zoom’s heavy reliance on China-based engineering could pose a security risk.

Source: https://www.wsj.com/articles/zoom-ceo-i-really-messed-up-on-...

Personal opinion: I think we should all boycott Zoom until there is a guarantee of where the data is stored with independent audits. In this pandemic, we've given our privacy (facial features, email, screen sharing, video data and application usage patterns) to Zoom in a whim. The entire world has done so. I have no trust in the Chinese Communist Party and their potential to exploit this data if they get it. Perhaps not in the immediate future, but may be in year 2027 - suppressing voices, threats and border control, detentions of people who spoke against the CCP during the pandemic or after caught using the facial AI technologies from the data collected today. This is real and we should all be concerned.

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That's only http traffic to the website, not people connecting via the app or via phone call . Most people use only the app or a phone call , for example to join a conference call hosted by someone else. Beyond business people on company-hosted calls, think students taking remote classes, grandmas connecting with their whole families, friends joining virtual happy hours, people playing social games, and so on. Worldw…

Are you proposing that the majority of users had their IT department remotely install the zoom application? I'd imagine there's a significant amount of people who downloaded the application from their website.

Additionally calendar invites often have a link to the zoom site, which then launches the app. So someone who is connecting via the app would still hit the website.

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