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Launch HN: Pathrise (YC W18) – Career accelerator for students, free until hired

#1
Hi HN,

I'm Kevin, co-founder of Pathrise (https://www.pathrise.com). Pathrise is an online replacement for career services that helps students get better jobs and make more money. If and only if they get hired during our program, students pay us back a tuition fee of 7% of their income for 1 year.

For more context, you can read about us here: https://venturebeat.com/2018/03/09/pathrise-wants-to-be-the-....

The problem: universities aren't directly incentivized to get students good jobs since they make all their money in upfront tuition. As a result, college career services centers aren't results-driven and can't properly support their students. Most students are essentially left to figure things out on their own, and they think to themselves, career services are useless. The easiest way to verify this is to ask your average student how many times they've visited their career services center in the last year.

In reality, career services (that actually work) are probably one of the highest value things a student can receive. You can take any step of the job search (e.g. online applications), train students on one technique (e.g. lead gen and cold emailing), and produce significant and measurable returns (e.g. we've measured that this technique in particular can 4X response rate from under 5% to over 20%). Pathrise does this with every step of the job-hunting process, from training students from a 2/6 to a 5/6 in technical interviewing scores based on real company rubrics to helping students get a 10%+ higher salary through negotiation.

In this sense, we're kind of like YC for students instead of startups. Founders give 7% equity to YC because they know YC will increase their company's prospects by more than 7%. Students give us 7% of their first year's income, and our program is designed to increase their job prospects by more than 7%. They know we'll do everything in our power to provide them that value because we have aligned incentives - we only make money if they do.

What this ends up looking like is an online accelerator for students that takes place in 12 monthly batches a year, followed by an average of 3-4 months of support until a student is placed. Instead of focusing on a technical education (like our friends at Lambda School), Pathrise is entirely about optimizing your job search. This involves services like resume review, prospecting, referrals, interview preparation, and negotiation advice. Again, unlike career services today, we track every data point so we can hold ourselves accountable to actually produce significant and measurable value for our students.

Thanks for reading! I'd be happy to answer any of your questions and would greatly appreciate your feedback.

Re: Launch HN: Pathrise (YC W18) – Career accelerator for students, free until hired

#2
Love the idea and I definitely see the problem and need. If you are able to answer, I have a few questions:

1) You say that you will track every data point to hold yourselves accountable. What metrics do you intend on tracking to prove the value of your service to potential customers?

2) Do you screen the customers prior to accepting them into your program? If so, what kind of characteristics are you looking for in an applicant?

3) What experience/skills/connections, etc does the company bring to the table for the customers?

Re: Launch HN: Pathrise (YC W18) – Career accelerator for students, free until hired

#4
Cool idea, my university has a stellar co-op program for Engineering and Computer Science students, and other universities in Canada do as well (Waterloo, UBC, etc.) and I am curious as to what differs you from universities that have these co-op programs because co-op is mandatory at UVic and Waterloo and has helped fund my way alongside many other engineering students ways through their degree.

Also 7% of first year salary seems steep, considering co-op costs are around 8k at my university (don't know about others off the top of my head). Which are covered pretty easily with mandatory 16 months of work experience.

Re: Launch HN: Pathrise (YC W18) – Career accelerator for students, free until hired

#5
Very cool!

Some questions:

1. How do you know the student's income?

2. How do you know if they're hired or not?

3. What if a student is hired and then is laid off?

4. What if a student is hired and promoted within the first year? Do they give you 7% of the income per their original job or 7% of total income received?

Re: Launch HN: Pathrise (YC W18) – Career accelerator for students, free until hired

#6

Love the idea and I definitely see the problem and need. If you are able to answer, I have a few questions: 1) You say that you will track every data point to hold yourselves accountable. What metrics do you intend on tracking to prove the value of your service to potential customers? 2) Do you screen the customers prior to accepting them into your program? If so, what kind of characteristics are you looking for in a…

1) Some of the metrics we are currently already tracking:

Response and follow up rates from cold emails

Response and follow up rates from referrals to hiring partners

Technical interview score over time (measured by internal rubrics we design to be very close to what is actually used at companies)

Success rate per interview over time (hard to see trends for an individual, but kind of starting to see trends for a batch)

The classic feedback form, 1 to 5 in how much did you learn after every session

Average gain from negotiation compared to the base offer and to industry standards

Pretty basic stuff for now, but still able to prove value. For example, like I mentioned we're seeing a response rate from under 5% to over 20% after applying cold emailing techniques. This is theoretically already a 4x difference in the number of opportunities you receive. Another example is average raise as a result of negotiation through the program can be thought of as literally money we get you.

2) Yes. We mainly look for a fundamental conceptual understanding of your field (since we don't do technical training besides interview prep) and a high level of motivation.

Surprisingly, we haven't found the need to look for anything else. This lets us ignore something that might increase implicit bias like trying to evaluate culture fit. We can focus on finding each individual candidate the company that's the right culture fit for them instead of the other way around.

3) We have about 10 hiring partners right now as well as an advisor and alumni network we use to make referrals on behalf of students to top companies like Facebook, Google, etc.

In terms of experience: my co-founder and I are unique in that while we have past founding experience and have worked at top companies like Facebook, Salesforce, and Yelp, but we are also young enough that we are not decades separated from the problem of figuring out your early career.

There aren't many people working on career services that understand both sides of the table when it comes to what it feels like to be a university student looking for a job and what it feels like to be a hiring manager evaluating a university student. This would describe us though.

We like to think we understand what a student is going through and how to help them better than anyone else because of this.

Re: Launch HN: Pathrise (YC W18) – Career accelerator for students, free until hired

#7

May be a silly question but I didn't see it in your FAQ - Is this only open to currently enrolled students? Would be very interested in applying as a self-teaching job seeker.

It's open to recent grads as well!

Edit: Sorry I totally misunderstood the question. Yes, it is available to self-teaching job seekers!

We say students for simplicity because the program is designed for your early career and university/new grad recruiting.

Re: Launch HN: Pathrise (YC W18) – Career accelerator for students, free until hired

#8
post #4

Cool idea, my university has a stellar co-op program for Engineering and Computer Science students, and other universities in Canada do as well (Waterloo, UBC, etc.) and I am curious as to what differs you from universities that have these co-op programs because co-op is mandatory at UVic and Waterloo and has helped fund my way alongside many other engineering students ways through their degree. Also 7% of first year…

Well my uni in Canada has less than stellar co-op program. Definitely would have helped me back when i was a student or a recent graduate.

Re: Launch HN: Pathrise (YC W18) – Career accelerator for students, free until hired

#9

Love the idea and I definitely see the problem and need. If you are able to answer, I have a few questions: 1) You say that you will track every data point to hold yourselves accountable. What metrics do you intend on tracking to prove the value of your service to potential customers? 2) Do you screen the customers prior to accepting them into your program? If so, what kind of characteristics are you looking for in a…

1) Some of the metrics we are currently already tracking: Response and follow up rates from cold emails Response and follow up rates from referrals to hiring partners Technical interview score over time (measured by internal rubrics we design to be very close to what is actually used at companies) Success rate per interview over time (hard to see trends for an individual, but kind of starting to see trends for a batc…

Awesome, thanks!

You said you are measuring gain from negotiation as one of your metrics. Will you be teaching the customers about negotiation techniques or actually negotiating on their behalf?

Re: Launch HN: Pathrise (YC W18) – Career accelerator for students, free until hired

#10
post #5

Very cool! Some questions: 1. How do you know the student's income? 2. How do you know if they're hired or not? 3. What if a student is hired and then is laid off? 4. What if a student is hired and promoted within the first year? Do they give you 7% of the income per their original job or 7% of total income received?

1. In the contract, students agree to something called a Tax Information Authorization (https://www.irs.gov/forms-pubs/about-form-8821-tax-informati...) to allow us to view their tax information to verify payments if necessary. This is fairly standard practice for income share agreements.

2. Same answer as question 1. Also, just to add to this, most students are pretty honest since we're likely to be friends at the end of the program anyways.

3. They normally pay through a share of their monthly income. If they are laid off, and therefore don't make any income that month, they don't pay us anything. However, the payment is then deferred until they can pay again, for a maximum of 2 years, after which everything left is absolved. The goal is to never have anyone have to pay money they don't have.

4. 7% of the total income received. They still pay through a share of their monthly income.

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