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Re: Gemini 3

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post #981

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This is the million dollar question. I'm not qualified to answer it, and I don't really think anyone out there has the answer yet. My armchair take would be that watt usage probably isn't a good proxy for computational complexity in biological systems. A good piece of evidence for this is from the C. elegans research that has found that the configuration of ions within a neuron--not just the electrical charge on the…

My whole point is that it maybe possible to do perception using a lot of computational power, or alternatively, there could be another kind of smart ideas that allows to do it in a diferent way with much less computation. It is not clear it requires it.

There could definitely be a chance. I was just responding to what in your comment sounded like a question.

That said, I think there is a good reason to be skeptical that it is a good chance. The consistent trend of finding higher complexity than expected in biological intelligences (like in C. Elegans), combined with the fact that the physical nature of digital architectures versus biological architectures are very different, is a good reason to bet on it being really complex to emulate with our current computing systems.

Obviously there is a way to do it physically--biological systems are physical after all--but we just don't understand enough to have the grounds to say it is "likely" doable digitally. Stuff like the Universal Approximation Theorem implies that in theory it may be possible, but that doesn't say anything about whether it is feasible. Same thing with Turing completeness too. All that these theorems say is our digital hardware can emulate anything that is a step-by-step process (computation), but not how challenging it is to emulate it or even that it is realistic to do so. It could turn out that something like human mind emulation is possible but it would take longer than the age of the universe to do it. Far simpler problems turn out to have similar issues (like calculating the optimal Go move without heuristics).

This is all to say that there could be plenty of smart ideas out there that break our current understandings in all sorts of ways. Which way the cards will land isn't really predictable, so all we can do is point to things that suggest skepticism, in one direction or another.

Re: Gemini 3

#992

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They claim AI overviews as having "2 billion users" in the sentences prior. They are clearly trying as hard as possible to show the "best" numbers.

> They are clearly trying as hard as possible to show the "best" numbers. This isnt a hottake at all. Marketing (iPhone keynotes, product launches) are about showing impressive numbers. It isnt a gotcha you think it is.

Sure, but the extent to which you bend the truth to get those impressive numbers is absolutely gotcha-able.

Showing a new screen by default to everyone who is using your main product flow and then claiming that everyone who is seeing it is a priori a "user" is absurd. And that is the only way they can get to 2 billion a month, by my estimation.

They could put a new yellow rectangle at the top of all google search results and claim that the product launch has reached 2 billion monthly users and is one of the fastest-growing products of all time. Clearly absurd, and the same math as what they are saying here. I'm claiming my hottake gotcha :)

Re: Gemini 3

#993

So they won't release multimodal or Flash at launch, but I'm guessing people who blew smoke up the right person's backside on X are already building with it Glad to see Google still can't get out of its own way.

I don't want to be one of those assholes who only calls out when they were right: I was very wrong

Re: Gemini 3

#995
import decimal

def solve_kangaroo_limit(): # Set precision to handle the "digits different from six" requirement decimal.getcontext().prec = 50

    # For U(0,1), H(x) approaches 2x + 2/3 very rapidly (exponential decay of error)
    # At x = 10^6, the value is indistinguishable from the asymptote
    x = 10**6
    limit_value = decimal.Decimal(2) * x + decimal.Decimal(2) / decimal.Decimal(3)
    
    print(f"H({x}) ≈ {limit_value}")
    # Output: 2000000.66666666666666666666...
if __name__ == "__main__": solve_kangaroo_limit() ....p.s. for airheads=idiots: """decimal.Decimal(2) / decimal.Decimal(3)""" == 0.6666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666 ... This is your Fukingly 'smart' computer???

Re: Gemini 3

#996

import decimal def solve_kangaroo_limit(): # Set precision to handle the "digits different from six" requirement decimal.getcontext().prec = 50 # For U(0,1), H(x) approaches 2x + 2/3 very rapidly (exponential decay of error) # At x = 10^6, the value is indistinguishable from the asymptote x = 10**6 limit_value = decimal.Decimal(2) * x + decimal.Decimal(2) / decimal.Decimal(3) print(f"H({x}) ≈ {limit_value}") # Output…

p.s. This is not on singular error, this is a good example of fundamental problems ... and a lot of lies. End of conversation.

Re: Gemini 3

#997
post #910
post #834

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And in general I'm all for increasing productivity, in all areas of the economy.

To what goal?

Star Trek communism.

There are two separate issues here: whether tech itself is bad, and whether the way it is deployed is bad. Better AI is, in principle, the kind of tech that can massively change the world for the better. In practice it is being deployed to maximize profits because that's what we chose to incentivize in our society above everything else, but the problem is obviously the incentives (and the people that they enable), not the tech itself.

Re: Gemini 3

#998

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I just had chatgpt explain that problem to me (I was unfamiliar with the mathematical background). It showed how to solve closed form answers for H(2) and H(3) and then numerical solutions using RK4 for higher values. Truly impressive, and it explained the derivations beautifully. There are few maths experts I've encountered who could have hand-held me through it as good.

Was the explanation correct?

It was. I asked it to give more details on parts of the derivation I didn't quite follow and it did that. Overall it was able to build from the ground up to the solution and solve it both numerically and analytically (for smaller values of x)

Re: Gemini 3

#999

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Was the explanation correct?

He has no idea because he's unfamiliar with the background.

I didn't understand the background before the explanation, but afterwards I did. Inl walked me through the mathematical steps and each was logical and ok to follow if you have a basic calculus knowledge.

Re: Gemini 3

#1000
post #208

Just generated a bunch of 3D CAD models using Gemini 3.0 to see how it compares in spatial understanding and it's heaps better than anything currently out there - not only intelligence but also speed. Will run extended benchmarks later, let me know if you want to see actual data.

Just hand sketched what 5 year old would do on the paper - the house, trees, sun. And asked to generate 3d model with tree.js. Results are amazing! 2.5 and 3 seems way way head.

Sorry to ask 7 days late, but what sort of prompt do you use to get it to do it? I tried the same exercise but it just placed the image in 2D in the 3D world. Much like Paper Mario but not what I was going for! Thank you.
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