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Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by phendrenad2 »

phendrenad2 wrote: post #104
kemayo wrote: post #16

> He accused Dugan of “intentionally misdirecting” federal agents who arrived at the courthouse to detain an immigrant who was set to appear before her in an unrelated proceeding. It sounds like the arrest isn't because of any official act of the judge, but rather over them either not telling the ICE agents where the person was or giving them the wrong information about their location. There are some pretty broad law…

Sounds like some lower-level ICE agents screwed up, and let the subject get away, and they're trying to redirect blame to the judge. I doubt this will stick, barring any new info on what happened.

Looks like I was wrong. For some reason I wasn't aware the that judge smuggled the subject out through the back door that goes through the judge's chambers, which typically judges avoid allowing the general public into, because it implies improper fraternization between a judge and someone involved in court cases.

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by phendrenad2 »

mrguyorama wrote: post #759
lurk2 wrote: post #404

Earlier quoted context omitted.

United States Code, Title 8, § 1324(a)(1)(A)(iii) (2023) > (1)(A) Any person who […] > (iii) knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in violation of law, conceals, harbors, or shields from detection, or attempts to conceal, harbor, or shield from detection, such alien in any place, including any building or any means of transportation; […] > sha…

>attempts to conceal, harbor, or shield from detection, such alien Does that cover "Hey, this door is closer to where we are going"? It's going to rest on convincing a jury that the only possible reason the suspect would go out that door would be the judge explicitly trying to help them evade arrest. IMO that should be impossible to prove but we have never taken "Beyond a reasonable doubt" seriously. "knowing or in r…

Judges are held to a higher standard than the general public. Look up judicial conduct standards, what you seek is covered fully.

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by phendrenad2 »

lolinder wrote: post #398
crooked-v wrote: post #319

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it extremely doubtful that she told the agents he'd be leaving through a particular door or that she had any legal obligation to make sure the man exited in a particular way.

What's being alleged is that she deliberately escorted the man out through an exit that is not usually made available to members of the public, instead of allowing him to leave through the regular door that would likely have put him right into the hands of ICE. If that was done with the intent of helping him evade arrest (which, if the story above is accurate, seems likely), it seems very reasonable to charge her wit…

You bring up an important point - laws and morality are not equivalent, and often differ. I wish people on HN would get that through their thick skulls and stop downvoting people for saying that a law was broken, if they think the law is invalid. The downvote button is not the ballot box where you vote on which laws you support.

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by jibal »

Y_Y wrote: post #988
jibal wrote: post #985

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But not the one you're from, apparently.

I'm from a rich country, and I can read. What is it you mean?

"Is this qhy everyone is worried about illegal immigrants comitting crimes? Because they have a get-out-of-jail-free?"

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by Ajedi32 »

phendrenad2 wrote: post #990
dmix wrote: post #852

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was a series of other steps in the case before she let the guy use a door the public never uses. Including rushing his case through after confronting the agents and adjourning it without notifying the attorneys present in the court room. She instructed him through the door before the basic administrative tasks of the case were done. If the details of what their witness (court deputy) says is true then it's pret…

We really need a new HN. The fact that people will downvote your comment, which is literally 100% correct, simply because they want to believe a falsehood, is pretty sad. This isn't Hacker News, it's Delusion News. Another possibility is for downvotes to be public, and then allow people to "filter out" downvoters who seem politically motivated (a personal list would be fine, I assume it's like 5 people). HN can't rea…

The usual HN solution to this problem is to just flag purely political stories and not discuss politics.

I agree any system that ranks posts purely on the ratio of upvotes to downvotes isn't well equipped to handle discussions of controversial topics. Unless there's a strong culture of respecting dissenting opinions it inevitably just turns into an echo chamber for one side or the other. There needs to be some way to filter out votes motivated by ideology rather than post quality.

X's Community Notes has the right idea I think, in that its algorithm takes into account the ideological biases of the voters and ranks notes based on the overall consensus across multiple ideological perspectives rather than just on whichever ideological perspective has the greatest total number of votes. That's a lot harder to implement though.

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by hn_acker »

Here is a useful explanation of the legal situation [1] with the caveat that the facts of the case haven't been confirmed yet.

[1] The Judge Dugan Case Is More Complicated Than It Seems - https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/the-judge-dugan-case-is...

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by Slava_Propanei »

maximinus_thrax wrote: post #918
ConspiracyFact wrote: post #727

I just read the complaint. What’s the problem? Was the administrative warrant invalid? According to the complaint, the agents didn’t enter the courtroom, but rather waited in the hall, where they were approached by the judge. If the judge directed the defendant to a back door never used by defendants not in custody, that’s clearly obstruction.

I'm fairly certain that a sitting judge who's a former president of the bar association knows the law better than you or me or Crack Patel and is more aware of the legal ramifications than random armchair lawyers. From my personal armchair, this will go nowhere, the accusation has no basis. Something similar happened before and the charges were dropped. This was just an attempt to intimidate the judiciary. I hope the…

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Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by AlexeyBelov »

phendrenad2 wrote: post #990
dmix wrote: post #852

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was a series of other steps in the case before she let the guy use a door the public never uses. Including rushing his case through after confronting the agents and adjourning it without notifying the attorneys present in the court room. She instructed him through the door before the basic administrative tasks of the case were done. If the details of what their witness (court deputy) says is true then it's pret…

We really need a new HN. The fact that people will downvote your comment, which is literally 100% correct, simply because they want to believe a falsehood, is pretty sad. This isn't Hacker News, it's Delusion News. Another possibility is for downvotes to be public, and then allow people to "filter out" downvoters who seem politically motivated (a personal list would be fine, I assume it's like 5 people). HN can't rea…

It's funny coming from someone with your comment history. You know it's public, right?
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