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Re: YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers

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Post by carlosjobim »

shitlord wrote: post #630
WheatMillington wrote: post #479

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>YouTube Premium fails because the content isn't worth paying for. I beg to differ. As a hobbyist type, and also someone interested in semi trashy niche content (true crime), having access to a virtually unlimited catalogue of fresh content, a lot of it exceptionally good quality, makes it absolutely worth the money. If I could have any one subscription, it would be YouTube 10 times out of 10. And as someone who abho…

If Youtube Premium actually blocked all the ads (including sponsored content), then I would pay for it. But it doesn't, so I have to use Sponsor Block anyway. Why pay for something that won't get the job done?

Because YouTube shouldn't censor their creators.

Re: YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers

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Post by dabluecaboose »

account42 wrote: post #973
fennecfoxy wrote: post #842

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I think the core issue is: * People don't like ads, because ads suck * Youtube offers premium, an ad-less experience Never have I seen self-entitled people so furious as when YT requests they buy premium in order to remove ads. What, should YT be hosted for free without ads and without a subscription? I get that ads suck and companies suck, but self-entitled people suck too; most of us here are devs and we get paid b…

> What, should YT be hosted for free without ads and without a subscription? Yes, same way you don't need a subscription to walk along a road.

I'm pretty sure thats called "taxes"

Re: YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers

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Post by feanaro »

anthonypasq wrote: post #846
selfmodruntime wrote: post #721

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If you rely on ad revenue and people do not enjoy using your product more than enduring your ads, maybe your business model is wrong to begin with?

then websites should be able to stop you from using ad blockers and presumably no one should throw a hissy fit about it, but thats not what happens.

How does this follow exactly? It sounds like a non sequitur.

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Post by feanaro »

tmtvl wrote: post #714
freehorse wrote: post #615

It is not just about youtube. The whole internet is bloated with ads right now, and the vast majority of them quite the opposite of discrete. I just cannot browse the internet without adblocker, it is too slow, but more importantly too distracting. I could count the times that I have found an internet ad interesting in my lifetime using half the fingers of one hand. Personalised or not, the vast majority is useless,…

> I will not, and probably cannot, pay and subscribe to any random website I am gonna visit to remove ads to make the experience tolerable, when I can just block the ads. Okay, but how do you square that with the fact that hosting content costs money? Are the people and companies which provide the content you look at not allowed to earn money to keep the servers running and the sysadmins fed?

I think this is a silly framing, to be honest. Of course they're allowed to earn money, but they surely aren't entitled to that money.

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Post by raffraffraff »

bilekas wrote: post #655
raffraffraff wrote: post #652

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You also use swype style keyboard input?

I don't but I am on my phone. I'll clean up the grammar shortly!

Oh, I just recognized a specific swypey mistake that I've seen myself make lots of times. But maybe they'd also happen on regular text prediction too? My sister in law regularly uses voice input, and her Whatsapp messages have totally different types of errors.

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Post by rolenthedeep »

dialogbox wrote: post #488
rolenthedeep wrote: post #483

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I don't want to pay YouTube I'm happy subscribing to creators' patreons or Kofi or whatever because almost all of my money goes to them. Whereas on YouTube, most of my money or ad-generated money goes to Google. YouTube pays creators very little and treats them very poorly. There's a new adpocalypse every few months where YouTube will randomly change the rules, retroactively demonetize and delist videos, while offeri…

You and your creators use yt as a service. Their servers and network. Payment and others. That services don't come for free. If you don't give them any money, why Google need to provide the services? If you don't like that, you can build your own server and steam from that.

And I'd rather not use YouTube! I want nothing at all to do with google. They quite simply do not deserve my money.

How much money has google made on selling my data? What do I get in return? More ads. If I pay google to remove the ads, they still sell my data and they take my money directly. By playing the game at all, you can only lose. So to the extent that is possible, I don't play. I also feel exactly zero remorse for taking advantage of a company like google. Their practices are deeply unethical and harmful, being a monopoly is inherently bad, and stealing from them is an ethical net positive.

Don't be reductive, it makes you look uninformed. This is a much more complex issue than simply paying for bandwidth.

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Post by Too »

climb_stealth wrote: post #221

It's incredible how many people go "I was almost ready to give them money" whilst using Youtube all the time with an ad blocker. I know it, I was one of them for years. Just buy the subscription. You get the free trial for a month. Nothing changes, the money is not missed, but you actually pay for something you use a lot. The biggest benefit is not being subjected to ads anymore just by being next to family members w…

If I pay for premium, will that also remove all the in-video promotions and calls for smacking like and subscribe?

That would be a good deal. Now we are sandwiched between ads both inside videos and between them, and they act surprised people use ad-blockers.

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Post by tastysandwich »

msla wrote: post #981
tastysandwich wrote: post #389

I actually subscribe to YT Premium. More than happy to for an ad-free experience. But that's tied to my personal account. Sometimes I want to watch a video on my work laptop, or just in incognito mode. I would find it incredibly irritating if that were blocked because I use an adblocker. In this case I've paid for no ads, I just don't want this particular video linked to my personal account.

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Oh wow, going through my past comments. That's pretty interesting behaviour ... Just curious, do you do that for all comments you read? That's quite a time investment.

Not sure how an adult paying for ad-free YouTube is inconsistent with not wanting minors on social media. I even stated in the linked comment that I do use YouTube.

I'd never want to ban or censor social media for adults.

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Post by bdlowery »

xurukefi wrote: post #845
bdlowery wrote: post #635

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It’s not an arms race. Twitch has already figured it out. It’s absolutely impossible to use any sort of adblocker on twitch. It’s so bad that the best solution to “block ads” on twitch is to use a proxy to a country that isn’t serving ads. Unless twitch has some crazy way of inserting ads into the video stream, YouTube will be able to do exactly what twitch has done.

> It’s absolutely impossible to use any sort of adblocker on twitch. I have never seen any ads on twitch. I just checked with DevTools and it seems like uBlock Origin simply blocks a script called "v6s.js", that is apparantly responsible for serving ads.

idk what to tell you. I have uBlock Origin on and without the proxy I see ads all the time. Either you're not in the US or you're just lying. There's a thread on the uBlock origin website with over 1,000 comments of people saying the same thing.

There's also posts their daily about how ads are not being blocked on twitch anymore.

Re: YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers

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Post by the_third_wave »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #797
rixrax wrote: post #678

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- Ads crank up the volume to 11. We were watching Eurovision singing contest the other day from YT and my gawd was that annoying. Adds in the middle of every song, volume being cranked up for the adds, and as a icing on the cake, probably due to bug somewhere, the playback went to pause after each ad (iPhone airplaying to AppleTV).

You know, if someone would constantly burst into rooms shouting at the top of their lungs for you to give them money, we'd beat them with a wrench. Yet this same behavior is not only tolerated and excused, but encouraged , when done in the name of business profits. And we wonder why society is so fucked up.

> And we wonder why society is so fucked up.

I'd rephrase that to "and there are people who want to debate whether blocking advertisements is morally defensible" as this is not so much an indictment of "society" as it is an exposition of the moral bankruptcy of the advertising industry. The question should not be whether blocking ads is morally defensible but the other way around, whether exposing yourself and others to "modern" advertising is defensible - to which the answer is a wholehearted "Hell No".

Give me a catalogue full of ads like the Computer Shopper [1] magazine of yore and I'll sing praise of the advertisers who clearly showed what they sold for which prices. I actually bought the thing - imagine that, paying money for a telephone book-sized magazine filled with nothing but ads - because it was useful in showing what the market had to offer. A modern-day Computer Shopper would be filled with...

...lifestyle-related drivel

...virtue signalling diversity statements without any relation to whatever product is sold

...celebrities doing things they only do because they get millions for it

...clearly stupid clueless men who only make it through their day because they have women and girls to correct their stupid mistakes, bad choices and silly habits

...some more diversity statements but this time with celebrities

...etc.

Now I understand I'm not really part of the target market the advertisers are trying to brainwash and that the nothing-but-a-list-of-products-with-prices style of advertising does not appeal to everyone. Find some other way of reaching your target market which shares the simplicity and honesty of this type of advertising, stop shouting, stop the brainwashing, get rid of the subliminal messaging, ditch the lifestyle drivel, just quit being bottom feeders and get back to advertising products and prices, no more and no less. Unless you want to be beaten with a wrench that is but in that case you better start wearing helmets and toques.

[1] https://archive.org/details/computer-shopper-february-1986/C...

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