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Post by bouncing »

googlryas wrote: post #249
nemo44x wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course and it’s a bit of a trap. They’d end up having to ban half the internet if they were consistent and non-arbitrary.

Half the internet isn't forums devoted to stalking and harassing people. What exactly is inconsistent about their banning of services? Is there another site which is on their radar, which does what kiwifarm does, and they've come out and stated they will never ban them?

Half the Internet is indeed forums where bad behavior is taking place though. Reddit, for example, has plenty of bad (often illegal) behavior on it and the moderation is far from aggressive. You eventually go down the rabbit hole of gradations of moderation and "how much" moderation you'll require.

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Post by dcow »

Teever wrote: post #968
account42 wrote: post #939

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We don't need to let either mob kick anyone off from the internet.

What would you do if Kiwifarms came after you?

Ignore them. If they did something illegal then sue them.

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Post by ngetchell »

tsol wrote: post #836
ngetchell wrote: post #771

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The ACLU would fight for the Nazi marches against the government. These are private companies adjusting their priorities as a result of other people using their free speech rights.

This isn't an uncommon view; others have observed that it's becoming unpopular to espouse free speech for all. There's an active pushback against, say, protecting the rights of racists. As an Indian Muslim I don't like what they say, but I realize it's only because of such free speech that people like me can live our lives freely in this country today. There are still a lot of people that hate me and I see it daily o…

If you own a billboard, should you respond to letters complaining about the content of the advert?

Free speech isn't anywhere in this equation. If these people wanted to go to a park and march, have at it. They can scream their hate as loud as they'd like.

I won't do business with a company that supports those ideas.

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Post by deanCommie »

_vvaw wrote: post #825
ChicagoDave wrote: post #659

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Got five kids. If any of them were trans, I'd support them connecting with whatever community they could find. Some people were born into the wrong body and most kids know it immediately. The dysphoria can happen early. I'm sure there are some kids that make mistakes and try hormone therapy because they think it will make them feel better. The list of reasons they might do this are long and many are related to abuse…

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I'm on mobile but almost every point you made is either a lie or a massive exaggeration.

Transitioning requires a massive amount of support and steps and children are NOT being rushed into irreversible medical procedures. This is a scare mongering tactic of the alt-right and has no bearing on reality.

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Post by deanCommie »

richbell wrote: post #734
KerrAvon wrote: post #705

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And, as it turned out, the Hunter Biden laptop story was 100% right wing bullshit, so it was the right thing to do. Fancy that!

The content was 100% real, though the "I found this laptop and it happened to belong to Hunter Biden" story was obviously a pretense to release content that had been obtained illegaly — likely from a hostile foreign state. I guess it wouldn't have looked good if Rudy Guliani came out and said "the Kremelin gave me compromising videos of Joe Biden's son".

Which is what makes it a "misinformation" campaign.

Folks on this site have a childishly simple view on information and propaganda. I've heard many people say if it's true it can't have an agenda. But what you say is just as important as what you DON'T say.

When the Russians hacked both the DNC and the RNC and leaked only the DNC emails to WikiLeaks who gladly posted them (because to be fair Clinton and Obama wanted Assange's head), and used the RNC info to blackmail Republicans, that's a misinformation campaign.

Doesn't matter if all the emails were true.

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Post by deanCommie »

gyuopy wrote: post #199
ohCh6zos wrote: post #189

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It appears that there is no plan for this to stop with Kiwifarms, some twitter searches lead me to believe Ovarit and Mumsnet are the next targets.

Ovarit has some interesting threads on the Kiwifarms takedown and the possibility of it happening to their site: https://ovarit.com/o/Ovarit/146818/if-kiwifarms-stays-down-o... https://ovarit.com/o/Cancelled/150947/kiwifarms-blocked-by-c... https://ovarit.com/o/Cancelled/151211/kiwifarms-latest-state... https://ovarit.com/o/Cancelled/152066/the-kiwi-has-been-rend... Choice quote: " What I find interesting is of ALL t…

You presenting that as "interesting" and thinking a choice quote that is absolutely a hateful transphobic interpretation of the state of things ("literal correct information") is extremely telling.

Ovarit is no hero here. They're a hate site through a "feminist" slant too.

Though I have no issues with them staying online. They are exactly the kind of hate speech I can defend because they haven't actively attempted harm to others (yet).

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Post by deanCommie »

armitron wrote: post #84
that_guy_iain wrote: post #45

The thing is, it's hard to feel bad for kiwifarms. They seem to be one of the worst sites there are. But freedom of speech/expression/opinions aren't about defending those who speech/expression/opinions you like but all of them. Personally, I think the site being shutdown is a good thing. But it's hard to look at the fact a few corporations can remove a website from the internet and think this is good for a free and…

It's not hard to feel bad for anyone getting censored/booted off the Internet. I see that "Gossithedog" lives in England, which - I reckon - makes it impossible for him to understand the value of free speech. The US is one of few countries on the planet where "freedom of speech" is a protected right (a list that doesn't include England). We're collectively worse off when the pitchforks come out and the mob allowed to…

> makes it impossible for him to understand the value of free speech.

We understand. And the 2nd amendment. And the rest of the constitution. We just don't think the American ideas are the best.

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Post by deanCommie »

delfinom wrote: post #913
SinParadise wrote: post #95

De-platforming works.

You just create enemies who sharpen pointier sticks in the shadows. If you want to fix the behavior of individuals, it requires education and their exposure to "normals". All this does is generate "feel good" moments and "LALALALA I can't hear you". But o hey, it's no different than the numerous crises plaguing America, including homelessness, collapsing healthcare, poverty and more. Just some Facebook likes and noth…

> Another thought, Hitler on his rise to power was also deplatformed, literally thrown into prison. Everyone laughed at him and his Nazi party.

And now for what actually happened:

> Approximately two thousand Nazis marched on the Feldherrnhalle, in the city centre, but were confronted by a police cordon, which resulted in the deaths of 16 Nazi Party members and four police officers... Hitler was found guilty of treason and sentenced to five years in Landsberg Prison, where he dictated Mein Kampf to fellow prisoners Emil Maurice and Rudolf Hess. On 20 December 1924, having served only nine months, Hitler was released. Once released, Hitler redirected his focus towards obtaining power through legal means rather than by revolution or force, and accordingly changed his tactics, further developing Nazi propaganda

If there is any lesson here it's that Hitler wasn't punished severely enough and forgiven too quickly.

What would you have had society do? Just ignore his literal attempted violent overthrow of the government??

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Post by gyuopy »

deanCommie wrote: post #996
gyuopy wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ovarit has some interesting threads on the Kiwifarms takedown and the possibility of it happening to their site: https://ovarit.com/o/Ovarit/146818/if-kiwifarms-stays-down-o... https://ovarit.com/o/Cancelled/150947/kiwifarms-blocked-by-c... https://ovarit.com/o/Cancelled/151211/kiwifarms-latest-state... https://ovarit.com/o/Cancelled/152066/the-kiwi-has-been-rend... Choice quote: " What I find interesting is of ALL t…

You presenting that as "interesting" and thinking a choice quote that is absolutely a hateful transphobic interpretation of the state of things ("literal correct information") is extremely telling. Ovarit is no hero here. They're a hate site through a "feminist" slant too. Though I have no issues with them staying online. They are exactly the kind of hate speech I can defend because they haven't actively attempted ha…

I personally find Ovarit interesting reading in general. I don't consider it to be a "hate site", but rather, one of the very few places on the internet where women can be openly critical of the ideology of gender identity, particularly with regards to the legal and social implications, from a feminist perspective.

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Post by Teever »

dcow wrote: post #992
Teever wrote: post #968

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What would you do if Kiwifarms came after you?

Ignore them. If they did something illegal then sue them.

Can you describe the process to sue an anonymous person in another country after they have swatted you?
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