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Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

#991

People literally die more because of these changes. Statistically measurable increase in mortality on these days. Save lives, stop changing the clocks.

Yes, more people die in the few days after the short night in the spring, but then there is a lower average mortality in the few days after that, and overall there is no net difference. Likewise in the fall, there is a slight dip in the day or two after the long night, but it washes out over the next week.

Source?

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

#992
post #423

People literally die more because of these changes. Statistically measurable increase in mortality on these days. Save lives, stop changing the clocks.

I hate to be that guy but if you're dying because the clocks changed and it was too much of a burden for you to re-adjust (like literally everyone else does) then oh well. Policy decisions based on dodgy, whataboutism-esque figures is, in my opinion, what undergirded the incredibly incompetent COVID response here in the US, and elsewhere.

Yikes. It’s not that someone had a stroke because they found it too hard to change the clocks. It means, measurably, that bad things can happen. Maybe your doctor is a bit more tired because he lost an hour of sleep and his surgery goes a little wrong and you’re dead. Worth it to change the clocks?

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

#993
post #676

People literally die more because of these changes. Statistically measurable increase in mortality on these days. Save lives, stop changing the clocks.

And people only die more because they get run over by drivers at a higher rate. I'd say here the glaring problem is not the timekeeping, but designing our urban infrastructure for cars, so that when a person is just a teensy tiny bit more sleepy, they end up killing people by accident, rather than you know, putting on their shirt inside out and having people point and giggle. Cars pretty much make worse everything th…

It’s also things like medical care getting screwed up. A tired surgeon is a horrible thing. And a surgeon can’t exactly go make up that lost hour easily..

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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post #951

Fascinating to me that the one thing the Senate unanimously agrees on, HackerNews finds it incredibly controversial and discusses it for 2000+ comments.

There has been a "daylight savings is the worst thing since Hitler" type post every time change for as long as I can remember, it's the ultimate bike shedding topic. It actually has a lot of parallels to most covid posts, there are a lot of competing benefits and many are angry their preference isn't given the most weight.

But then why is the Senate not busy bikeshedding this?

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

#995

I'm surprised at the number of commenters who think permanent DST is favourable to night owls and bad for morning people. I think it's night owls and delayed-cycle teenagers attending school who will suffer most under permanent DST. In the Winter, permanent DST means everyone has to get up an hour earlier for work or school's clock time, relative to the sun which regulates their body rhythm. Someone pointed out virtu…

Not to go off topic, but everyone seems to just ignore everyone not working 9-5. I mean if you work night-shift, morning shift, evening shift, you already have weird circadian rhythms, and out-of-sync school schedules. And yet, somehow, they seem to function as humans. So maybe that 1 hour difference for 4 months a year won't actually result in the zombie apocalypse. People will adapt just fine.

> but everyone seems to just ignore everyone not working 9-5

They also seem to ignore Arizona. 7.5 million people all happily living their lives without dropping like flies from seasonal-affective disorder.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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post #938

This will probably get lost, but anyway. Socially we need a way to synchronize with each other and we designed our culture around calendars and clocks, synchronized to Earth revolutions - midnight. Our bodies are designed (evolved if you want) to synchronize with the sun and there the best (healthiest) waking time is at sunrise. When synchronized to midnight, sunrise time varies and that variation depends on latitude…

What are you actually suggesting here? Say that sunrise is at a fixed time every day, for example 6am (to avoid changing the entire system too much). Well sunrise for me might be quite different to sunrise for my neighbour, especially if I live in the valley and she lives at the top of the hill. Every quarter of a degree around the globe (25km east or west, give or take) would have their clocks shifted by a minute. I…

I'm not suggesting things here. Funnily, you use the exact same arguments against sunrise-synced time that are used against DST: coordination problems regarding "local time".

As long as you have the very concept of "local time" you are going to run into some form of the problem where it is difficult to interpret what local time is and how it relates to other times. DST is just one possible difference

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

#998

I'm surprised at the number of commenters who think permanent DST is favourable to night owls and bad for morning people. I think it's night owls and delayed-cycle teenagers attending school who will suffer most under permanent DST. In the Winter, permanent DST means everyone has to get up an hour earlier for work or school's clock time, relative to the sun which regulates their body rhythm. Someone pointed out virtu…

These problems are best solved by addressing the issue itself - that teenagers need more sleep than our maniacal obsession with starting school early in the morning. That’s a change that can, and should, be made independently.

So if we change the school times to be better adjusted to sleep schedules blah blah blah.

Why can't we also adjust work hours?

And if we can adjust those as well, why can't we just be on Standard Time?

The problem isn't the clock. It never was the clock.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

#999

I'm surprised at the number of commenters who think permanent DST is favourable to night owls and bad for morning people. I think it's night owls and delayed-cycle teenagers attending school who will suffer most under permanent DST. In the Winter, permanent DST means everyone has to get up an hour earlier for work or school's clock time, relative to the sun which regulates their body rhythm. Someone pointed out virtu…

Not to go off topic, but everyone seems to just ignore everyone not working 9-5. I mean if you work night-shift, morning shift, evening shift, you already have weird circadian rhythms, and out-of-sync school schedules. And yet, somehow, they seem to function as humans. So maybe that 1 hour difference for 4 months a year won't actually result in the zombie apocalypse. People will adapt just fine.

Then the question remains: why not Standard Time?

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

#1000
Oh wow, the USA is now repeating Russia's mistake. :)

Russia abolished time shifting more than a decade ago and adopted DST. But then they realized that mornings in winter time were very depressive (too dark) and hence in 2014 switched back standard time.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Russia

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