Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I have now watched two Twitter clones and one Patreon clone be shutdown by magical sudden decisions made in lockstep. Magical?
I believe the commenter is referring to the coordinated collusion of the activity, which is reminiscent of anti-competitive cartels.
Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support
991–1000 of 1001 posts
Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support
#992This needs to happen. Parler is not a "social network" in the same way Twitter, Facebook or Reddit are. It is a radicalisation platform hiding behind a Silicon Valley style startup veneer. I signed up for Parler 6 weeks ago and what I have seen from the platform is frightening. It isn't dumb memes and gifs but hardcore alt-right propaganda and conspiracy theories. Within hours of commenting on posts I was contacted a…
Do you take any precautions to avoid becoming interesting to intelligence agencies when doing this kind of research?
Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support
#993This needs to happen. Parler is not a "social network" in the same way Twitter, Facebook or Reddit are. It is a radicalisation platform hiding behind a Silicon Valley style startup veneer. I signed up for Parler 6 weeks ago and what I have seen from the platform is frightening. It isn't dumb memes and gifs but hardcore alt-right propaganda and conspiracy theories. Within hours of commenting on posts I was contacted a…
>Parler is not a "social network" in the same way Twitter, Facebook or Reddit are. It is a radicalisation platform hiding behind a Silicon Valley style startup veneer. Actually, that's exactly how I'd describe modern reddit, and I guess Twitter too.
The difference, in my opinion, is that reddit, etc are quite active in removing such "communities" once they are aware of them and they become a problem.
Parler does not. In fact, to me, it seems they take delight in it and promote it under the guise of "free speech".
So while reddit and co undoubtedly have similar problems they at least take action albeit a lot later than I think they should.
Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support
#994Earlier quoted context omitted.
What unfortunate circumstances we find ourselves in when the cost of doing business with a company associated with white supremacists, insurrectionists, and murderers outweighs the benefits so much that other private businesses won't sell them things. Everyone is entitled to force themselves on Apple, Google, Amazon, Twilio, Stripe, et al., right? I find a depressing majority of the people screaming censorship at the…
If just Apple suspended them for a clearly identified infringement of codified policy and then gave them steps to correct it, I wouldn't care nearly as much as multiple sectors of industry banning one company within hours of each other. It's the coordination that is terrifying. When a group of powerful people says, "You have to let me do crazy thing , or the boogieman wins," you must forgive me for having doubts. I h…
Is it “coordination” if lots of companies have been contacted as law enforcement authorities following the connections out from the events at the Capitol and looking for assistance both in investigation and in forestalling the upcoming attacks they have said they have intelligence on being planned, and a bunch of corporate counsel have all had their attention directed to the statute on material support for terrorism at the same time and come to the same conclusion?
> When a group of powerful people says, "You have to let me do crazy thing, or the boogieman wins," you must forgive me for having doubts.
Sure, e.g.:
crazy thing = provide support to domestic terrorists
boogieman = evil corporations
Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support
#995Earlier quoted context omitted.
> What are the best mitigations here, both technical and social? Vocally side with the popular issues, or try to stay completely out of them, to try to avoid becoming a target (e.g., social media presence)? For now, don't attempt to overturn a fair democratic election and install an illegitimate government. Seems like a pretty easy thing to stay clear of. I get the concern you're expressing, but not everything is a s…
Did parler really try and overturn an election? Or did some of the people that use the site walk around a building?
Please don't downplay what happened on Jan 6 as "walk around a building," it's absurd and that kind of equivocation doesn't belong here.
Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support
#996Earlier quoted context omitted.
They literally erected gallows on the grounds of the capitol, they literally marched through the building chanting "hang Mike Pence". The entire basis of the Q Anon conspiracy is that Donald Trump is preparing to destroy the deep state and retain power. Spend more than a few minutes browsing around Gab (you can just look at the top posts) and you'll see explicit references to overthrowing the government. You can abso…
Didn't BLM install gallows outside Jeff bezos house or something like that? Were they trying to overthrow Amazon?
Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support
#997Putting myself in AWS’s shoes makes this choice seem obvious. If I imagine myself maintaining a server and I learn it’s being used for death threats and coup plannings, I would tell them to stop doing that or I’m shutting them down. And then if they didn’t do it I would immediately revoke their access. I don’t know about everyone else on this site but I wasn’t put on this planet to design and build tools for terroris…
Now imagine yourself maintaining streets, hotels or cars that might be used by thieves, rapists and murderers. Would it be your job to make sure they don't use your infrastructure? Would you want it to be?
Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support
#998Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Parler is not a "social network" in the same way Twitter, Facebook or Reddit are. It is a radicalisation platform hiding behind a Silicon Valley style startup veneer. Actually, that's exactly how I'd describe modern reddit, and I guess Twitter too.
You are not wrong. The difference, in my opinion, is that reddit, etc are quite active in removing such "communities" once they are aware of them and they become a problem. Parler does not. In fact, to me, it seems they take delight in it and promote it under the guise of "free speech". So while reddit and co undoubtedly have similar problems they at least take action albeit a lot later than I think they should.
Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support
#999Earlier quoted context omitted.
Now consider the scenario where all the large agriculture firms and distributors cut off the Bay Area. Sure, the Bay Area could start their own farms to meet that need, but I could hardly imagine the whole population living there saying "This is fine, they're well within their rights." This feels to me like a situation of "fine for anyone to do, problematic for everyone to do". With political ideology not a protected…
> Now consider the scenario where all the large agriculture firms and distributors cut off the Bay Area. Now consider that this exact scenario is currently affecting 23.5 million people in the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_desert
When everyone avoids those areas, though, bam: food desert.
I honestly don't know the right balance to strike here. On the one hand, I fervently believe that businesses shouldn't be forced to act against their interests. On the other hand, though, the sum of these individual actions produces an unacceptable outcome.
I'm sure there's some balance of regulation, incentives, and public-private partnerships that would strike a good balance here, but both the extreme solutions (Groceries can locate wherever they want vs. groceries have to establish branches in food deserts) seem to be totally unsatisfactory, at least in my mind.
Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support
#1000Earlier quoted context omitted.
You are not wrong. The difference, in my opinion, is that reddit, etc are quite active in removing such "communities" once they are aware of them and they become a problem. Parler does not. In fact, to me, it seems they take delight in it and promote it under the guise of "free speech". So while reddit and co undoubtedly have similar problems they at least take action albeit a lot later than I think they should.
No, I meant almost the entirety of reddit nowadays is attempting to radicalize people to the left. Just look at the vitriol you see toward conservatives in the average /r/politics thread.
I don't agree that /r/politics attempts to "radicalize" people though. At least nothing I have ever seen in my 14 years on reddit I would classify as radicalization. Do you have any examples you can link to?