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Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Post by ksec »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #964
hijklmno wrote: post #696

It's not Apple vs. Fortnite. It's actually Apple vs. Users. Apple has been taking us for a ride this whole time. We pay damn much and buy the phone. It is the user's property from then on. What the user install's and uninstall's from his phone should be his decision. Taking a cut of say, 3%, to keep the app store running is forgivable. But 30% digging into users pocket is unpardonable. Apple is no longer the underdog…

I'm fine with Apple taking 30%, 50%, or 90% of revenue on the App Store. Running the App Store isn't free, and Apple is the party best positioned to assess their own costs. However, the App Store should not be the only way to install software on my phone. Critically, if I was able to sideload apps, Apple wouldn't charge 90%, because then no developer would ever use the store. A central repository of curated, vetted a…

I have always considered Apple making a "Phone" with more computing capabilities, while Google was trying to a PC down to a Phone size.

And in the case I agree the Phone should not be able to side load Apps. It is locked precisely because it is a Phone. And there would be 100x fewer support calls just because of that . Remember there are 1 Billion iPhone users. I can bet 900M of them dont even know what HN or programming.

I am wondering if Apple shoudl allow iPad to side load App, given iPad is more like PC working in Tablet form factor. And release an iPad Nano.

I mean if customer really think they should have side load Apps they would buy the Nano.

( That is of course ignoring the complexity of line up )

Personally I dont want the hassle of supporting people side loading apps and then calling for help. I would much rather Apple keep it the current way.

And I have no problem with Games being charged 30% cut.

But for some reason I think Apps and other Services should be charged 15% of less. Given Apple already split the Apps and Gaming Section in the App Store. I dont see this would be a problem.

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Post by munawwar »

Razengan wrote: post #880
hijklmno wrote: post #696

It's not Apple vs. Fortnite. It's actually Apple vs. Users. Apple has been taking us for a ride this whole time. We pay damn much and buy the phone. It is the user's property from then on. What the user install's and uninstall's from his phone should be his decision. Taking a cut of say, 3%, to keep the app store running is forgivable. But 30% digging into users pocket is unpardonable. Apple is no longer the underdog…

> It's actually Apple vs. Users. Apple has been taking us for a ride this whole time. Oh please. Nobody who actually uses Apple feels that way. Though I agree they should allow a way to sideload apps. One of the downsides of being primarily an iOS dev is not being able to participate in activities like game-jams because there's no way to casually share my stuff with other users. > Taking a cut of say, 3%, to keep the…

30% is like paying govt taxes... with which govts builds roads, infrastructure, what not. None of the app stores (including many of the alt app stores) needs that much.

>Apple protects its users better than the other major players.

If "other major players" are the baseline, then nothing is going to improve. They all stink.

For example, think why apple made it super easy to approve auto renewing payments but made it so hard to unsubscribe (which is hidden deep in settings).. if that's not dark UX then I don't know what is? Lots of scammy apps make use of this. Do they get removed from the app store inspite of all their negative reviews and customer complaints? mostly not.. best case, takes months..

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Post by munawwar »

vogre wrote: post #810
hijklmno wrote: post #696

It's not Apple vs. Fortnite. It's actually Apple vs. Users. Apple has been taking us for a ride this whole time. We pay damn much and buy the phone. It is the user's property from then on. What the user install's and uninstall's from his phone should be his decision. Taking a cut of say, 3%, to keep the app store running is forgivable. But 30% digging into users pocket is unpardonable. Apple is no longer the underdog…

>Taking a cut of say, 3%, to keep the app store running is forgivable. But 30% digging into users pocket is unpardonable. What makes you think that 3% cut is enough?

With 3% payment gateways, paypal etc made/makes profitable business.

30% of revenue is like taxes, you can build infrastructure for a country.

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Post by munawwar »

munawwar wrote: post #993
vogre wrote: post #810

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Taking a cut of say, 3%, to keep the app store running is forgivable. But 30% digging into users pocket is unpardonable. What makes you think that 3% cut is enough?

With 3% payment gateways, paypal etc made/makes profitable business. 30% of revenue is like taxes, you can build infrastructure for a country.

Also remember they take $99 / year / dev account just to open up access to their app store.. so add that into their revenue..

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Post by prepend »

Hopefully this helps to get rid of the free to play market. I think free to play games are a blight, so while it’s harsh that companies have to pay Apple 30%, that’s the price to be on iPhone and android devices.

The deal, that many choose not to take, is that Apple gets 30% of things sold on their platform. Whether that’s 30% of a one time $100 fee to purchase or 30% of $1/week in digital Scooby snacks or whatever for the rest of your life.

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Post by p1necone »

Razengan wrote: post #880
hijklmno wrote: post #696

It's not Apple vs. Fortnite. It's actually Apple vs. Users. Apple has been taking us for a ride this whole time. We pay damn much and buy the phone. It is the user's property from then on. What the user install's and uninstall's from his phone should be his decision. Taking a cut of say, 3%, to keep the app store running is forgivable. But 30% digging into users pocket is unpardonable. Apple is no longer the underdog…

> It's actually Apple vs. Users. Apple has been taking us for a ride this whole time. Oh please. Nobody who actually uses Apple feels that way. Though I agree they should allow a way to sideload apps. One of the downsides of being primarily an iOS dev is not being able to participate in activities like game-jams because there's no way to casually share my stuff with other users. > Taking a cut of say, 3%, to keep the…

"I agree they should allow a way to sideload apps"

I think this sentence means you agree with the comment you're replying to. That's basically all Apple needs to do, if you can install apps in a way that doesn't involve Apples store then they can do and charge whatever they want with it.

The only reason people have a problem with Apples 30% cut and review restrictions is because there's no other option.

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Post by dwild »

Razengan wrote: post #880
hijklmno wrote: post #696

It's not Apple vs. Fortnite. It's actually Apple vs. Users. Apple has been taking us for a ride this whole time. We pay damn much and buy the phone. It is the user's property from then on. What the user install's and uninstall's from his phone should be his decision. Taking a cut of say, 3%, to keep the app store running is forgivable. But 30% digging into users pocket is unpardonable. Apple is no longer the underdog…

> It's actually Apple vs. Users. Apple has been taking us for a ride this whole time. Oh please. Nobody who actually uses Apple feels that way. Though I agree they should allow a way to sideload apps. One of the downsides of being primarily an iOS dev is not being able to participate in activities like game-jams because there's no way to casually share my stuff with other users. > Taking a cut of say, 3%, to keep the…

> Do you know how much Google, Microsoft, Steam and Epic themselves take from sales on their stores?

Nice job of misinformation right there! Apple should send you a check for that one! Let me quote you the article we are commenting on:

> Apple has removed Epic Games’ battle royale game Fortnite from the App Store after the developer on Thursday implemented its own in-app payment system that bypassed Apple’s standard 30 percent fee

How many of the one you named did the same? Weird how it's 0 right?

Okay now let bring something you said yourself, how many of them block side loading, which is a great way to bypass this? Again 0.

A fee for a service is perfectly fine, you are the only one trying to argue anything about this. What we are arguing is that Apple is forcing people to pay that fee, even though there's perfectly valid alternative that can be done, and that this practice is wrong. None of the company you are citing does that.

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Post by dang »

jamesblonde wrote: post #724
jamesblonde wrote: post #703

Hey HN mods! "spanhandler" is making a lot of cogent arguments in favor of Apple in this thread, like the voice of somebody with 20+ years in the industry. He also has a karma of 700+ after only opening the account 16 days ago. His entire comment history is to bash people arguing for open standards - see this thread, firefox threads, etc. I cannot think of any motivation for any techie to create an account to spread…

To build on my point, i was upvoted for the first few mins, but now (a ring?) has started downvoting me....

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Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Post by dang »

throwaway140820 wrote: post #740
throwaway140820 wrote: post #543

Apologies for the extreme swearing that ensues. Wow, I would have hoped for better support from the HN community. Instead there are apologists after apologists. So what if Epic is big. Really, seriously shouldn't we have had alternative app stores available form the official ones. Why is this even a point of debate? All the time we hear stories of people one of our own getting fucked by these app stores and their lor…

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