Eh I get where you're coming from but it comes down to the bouncer or whoever. You get people who say an expired license is not a valid ID and they require a valid ID to get in.
Strange! “I’m not letting you drink unless you can drive”
>“I’m not letting you drink unless you can drive”
Welcome to the US. Things are really wacky here. Another really wacky thing: you can't walk around or be in public with an alcoholic drink (e.g., you can't have a beer in a public park outside, on a picnic, etc.), even though drinking is such a huge, huge, huge part of our culture. Yet in most other developed nations, it's perfectly legal. You can even buy beer in vending machines in Japan.
Disclaimer: my comment below is directed at the culture of Google, and following in the train of thought from your comment. It's not directed at your comment or you. Reading this comment just makes me feel baffled. How much arrogance does it take for a bunch of Googlers to assume the belief that they know what is "just" for the rest of the world? An organization(in this case, a for-profit company) created to deliver…
Should people act in ways that disagree with their sense of justice? Should people be allowed to speak out against things that other people do, but that disagree with their sense of justice? I don't see how you can call it "arrogant" for people to act in accordance with their moral and ethical standards. We don't have the power to force the world do line up with our personal sense of justice. But we do have the power…
#bothsides, amiright? On one hand you have the continuation of a 150 year old white supremacist terror movement whose adherents have recently and repeatedly murdered dozens of people solely because of who they are, and on the other you have those scary people with the masks who will throw a milk shake at someone, just because that person is a fascist. It's really too bad that we can't just empower indifferent moderat…
I think you're minimizing the impact of antifa psychos. And I'm no moderate. Antifa is explicitly about violence, racism, and is associated with the Dayton Ohio shooter as well as the recent attacks on the ICE facilities.
Antifa is literally about opposing fascism, which in America is a violent white supremacist and misogynist movement. When you say that they are "associated with the Dayton Ohio shooter" you mean that alt-right propagandists have found tweets from him that express negative sentiment toward fascists. I am now seeing that an armed man actually associated with a local antifa group recently got himself killed after he "tossed lit objects at vehicles and buildings, causing one car fire, and unsuccessfully tried to ignite a propane tank," so yes, you're absolutely right, they've escalated from milkshakes to mild property damage. Definitely an equal threat to the specific rightwing movement responsible for the vast majority of domestic terrorism in this century.
This is pretty strange to me. I've worked in a bunch of very different places, including Intel Corp. and also defense contractors and US government installations, and people generally stayed away from political discussions unless they were around people they already knew were like-minded. The only place I saw political discussion turn really sour was at Intel when we had a contractor who was extremely religious and c…
Many of my teammates are immigrants. Visa related uncertainty and progress are major parts of their lives. The H1-B renewal lottery colors all future plans. Finally getting a green card is like having a child or buying a house. When the President tweets about blowing up NAFTA, my colleagues on TN-1s can no longer be sure which country they'll live in six months from now. We tried to go for drinks and couldn't get int…
> my work friend's driver license is expired
Not a full solution of course, but when a proper ID is needed, a passport is the goto. I've seen tourists use them at bars.
I worked at Google for quite a while, 2005-2013, and even then, the internal political discussion was pretty toxic, but a lot smaller in scope since there are far fewer people. There were definitely groups meant for discussing politics, and loudmouths like me willingly participated in those - however, it was very uncivil. There was a majority view in the company, and if anyone didn't agree with the majority view, the…
I worked there for a similar length of time, but more recent (2012 - early 2019). The internal political discourse over that time definitely mirrored the rest of the world: becoming increasingly heated and divisive during 2016 and largely escalating since. On the whole, it felt like it pushed the company in a positive direction --- internal discussions mirroring #metoo led to more visibility of sexual harassment and…
"..using their influence internally to push Google toward creating a more just world"
The above statement terrifies me. We didn't elect anyone at Google to do this for us.
I'm surprised at the lack of skepticism in the discussion here. The term "politics" - even assuming there is a problem with fiery discussions of what we traditionally view that term to cover - could easily cover dissent over programs like Dragonfly. Most controversy within Google that is publicly known is politically motivated. Don't take this term at face value.
Yeah politics is an extremely broad topic. What’s common sense to one person is a insane governmental overreach to another. While I don’t think politics should hold a large place in the work place I’m always mindful when speech is restricted in pursuit of restricting “toxicity.”
> I also wonder if there's a universal central reason behind why it is important to understand someone else's argument if their conclusion differs than yours. In fact, if you can't argue for their side as well as they can, you haven't really understood it, so you shouldn't argue.
I'd agree with the first two parts, but one can argue a fully reasoned argument without understanding all possible conflicting arguments. At least in the terms of normative arguments, where values (premises) can differ from person to person.
I agree again. A big cause of useless arguments is both sides having different unstated goals.
It's odd that when it comes to social issues, this site suddenly becomes conservative and doesn't even think progress is possible.
this site suddenly becomes conservative and doesn't even think progress is possible Progress is possible. The thing is, that progress doesn't necessarily take the form that people wish it would take in their utopian fantasies. If we use history as a guide, we find that progress almost always takes a form with would have been unimaginable to past generations, if not at times even a little shocking to them. For example…
These platitudes are of course correct but quite irrelevant here.
That's just a 'bonus'. We don't talk about politics or religion at work for the same reason that we use money instead of barter. If we only used barter we could only trade when we could find matching goods/services between trading partners, by using money instead we avoid the matching. If you discuss politics at work you risk a situation where some people cannot work together because of incompatible views which are e…
On the contrary: Politics have to be discussed at work because that's where "incompatible" people meet. Discussing politics with those who share your views isn't all that enlightning. The work being performed is generally completely irrelevant compared to politics so it has to take a backseat. The capitalist will just have to deal with the fact that their workers are not mindless unpolitical drones.
That might be good for political discourse, but it's not good for commerce.
And if someone has a weaker position in the workforce it may not be good for their financial welfare: No one has to just deal with someone they can fire. How much is political discourse improved by communication in the context of that kind of asymmetry?
I wonder if this has anything to do with the recently leaked posts that shows google staff used the google search front end to target specific demographics they expected to vote for a particular candidate and then were shocked and upset when a substantial minority portion of those populations voted for different candidates? If discussions are leading to credible allegations that a company was promoting candidates usi…
Could you link to the evidence of that, because I think you'll find that upon even a cursory investigation, it doesn't exist.
I could, but the google leaked documents have been aggressively removed from any site I've seen them posted on (HN, reddit, etc.) presumably under (BS) legal threat from google. If you give me an email address, I'll send you links privately.