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US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Post by frollogaston »

RiverStone wrote: post #389
Unicironic wrote: post #283

It's disheartening to hear people talk about this in terms of won and lost. Is that how you think of these events? I think of them in terms of sadness and horror. The US threatened to obliterate a country and people, because gas was getting a little expensive. If winning and losing is the way you are framing this, instead of thinking about the humans that these actions affect, then we all have lost.

That doesn’t align with the perspective of actual Iranians I know. There are news reports of Iranian expats and opponents within Iranian who are disappointed with the ceasefire. They wanted trump to go further and destroy the regime. That aligns with conversations I’ve had with Iranians friends in the US and family members within Iran who want the regime destroyed so there is a chance of removing the Islamic theocrac…

That's what I hear, but it seems like pure desperation. The reality is, Israel calls the shots here, and they aren't interested in a regime change that would strengthen Iran in the long term. They weren't happy with Pahlavi either.

Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Post by frollogaston »

ruszki wrote: post #956
RiverStone wrote: post #389

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That doesn’t align with the perspective of actual Iranians I know. There are news reports of Iranian expats and opponents within Iranian who are disappointed with the ceasefire. They wanted trump to go further and destroy the regime. That aligns with conversations I’ve had with Iranians friends in the US and family members within Iran who want the regime destroyed so there is a chance of removing the Islamic theocrac…

I’ve never seen an example when foreign news really reported what people think on the ground. Especially because people on the ground usually lie. For example in Hungary, the voters of the current “opposition” prime minister candidate would tell you that they vote for him because they want democracy. Yet, they haven’t cared about that for more than a decade. Even when the real reason: inflation was obvious that it wo…

They really don't know with Iran. It's illegal to protest the government there, and at the same time US and UK propaganda says everyone there wants to overthrow their govt.

Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Post by jon_adler »

a456463 wrote: post #975
simonh wrote: post #843

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It is possible to deplore the human cost, while also looking at the reasons why such conflicts occur, and what the goals of those involved are.

The reason of the conflict being a lunatic and spineless supporters.

I deplore the “lunatic” and also support any attempts of liberating the entire Middle East from the deplorable Iranian regime. So many of the problems of this region can be traced back to them.

Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Post by qtplatypus »

fatbird wrote: post #629
smallmancontrov wrote: post #320

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The Ayatollah Booth is egg on the US's face regardless, but $2M/ship is about $1/barrel for perspective. Spot price is $95/barrel right now.

If Iran's 10 points become the basis of the peace, it ratifies Iran's sovereignty over the strait, at which point they can raise the price. It will be years before alternative routes devalue control of the strait, during which time Iran can siphon a lot of money out of passages taxes.

Also Iran can drop the price of the Taxes whenever they want to in order to drive the alternatives into a loss.

Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Post by mancerayder »

tristanj wrote: post #910

The ceasefire is over. Iran launched three waves of ballistic missiles at Israel after the ceasefire was announced; the first wave happened about an hour after the ceasefire announcement, then another 5 hours after, then another 8 hours after. Iran also launched waves of drones at UAE, Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrain, and Saudi Arabia within the first few hours of the ceasefire, and they've continued more over the next 12 hou…

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Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Post by Invictus0 »

mrguyorama wrote: post #974
Invictus0 wrote: post #876

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Only on hacker news is the destruction of all your military hardware and the death of all your leaders a win

Buddy France lost it's country and still won WW2 It's the war, not the battle.

https://www.reddit.com/r/history/comments/sivy5j/comment/hvi...

Boy is that a terrible analogy. France "won" nothing, they actively collaborated with the Nazis, and they were pretty useless for most of the war.

Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Post by brazukadev »

ghywertelling wrote: post #149
idle_zealot wrote: post #80

We already attacked Iran twice during "talks," is there any indication that we mean it this time, or are we just going to bomb them again while negotiations are ongoing?

I have a Naive question, "why aren't the discussions related to public matters be telecasted live like a football match to the whole world? why isn't the public privy to the discussions about its own future?"

Compared to the last World War, things are broadcasted quite immediately. The delay is just barely enough to create a narrative that fits the audience.

Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Post by bawolff »

bawolff wrote: post #180
ceejayoz wrote: post #140

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Israel seems likely to do anything they can to start things up again.

They dont have to do anything but wait. Its only a 2 week ceasefire.

Well now it looks like the ceasefire never went into affect at all. Iran never stopped firing and the parties disagree on what was agreed on with regards to lebanon.

What a mess.

Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Post by Gibbon1 »

testing22321 wrote: post #281
Rotdhizon wrote: post #195

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The US is one thing but there is no possible way Israel will stop bombing. They will openly say they will, and continue to do so. It just gives them more breathing room to calculate bigger and more serious strikes. Israel has literally nothing to lose. The US is taking all the heat for any actions in Iran. Israel and Iran are mortal enemies, one can not continue to exist while the other lives, this is how they view i…

If we have to choose, it seems the world would be better off without Israel committing genocide

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Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Post by keepamovin »

cleaning wrote: post #972
keepamovin wrote: post #490

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I can’t accept the theocratic tyrants who implement terrorism, execute their own people and slaughter them as they protest remain in charge. They should be forced out of power. I wonder if the US had struck when momentum was high during the popular uprising, it could have being self sustaining, with arms and logistics setup to feed the resistance advance.

Your post is ambiguous until the second part, FYI. In this conflict, it's a good idea to be clear on which nation you are talking about from the start.

Lol
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