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Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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Post by tatrajim »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #977
tatrajim wrote: post #965

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I would suggest the scope and psychological relevance of the now fetishized term of "whiteness" in large parts of America was vanishingly small in the past. It had no significance in the slightest in my community or to my identity. It was all about religion, education, and European place of origin. Moreover, and more interestingly, after I studied the Hausa language at university, and decided to travel on my own to l…

Ask Polish or Italian Americans if “whiteness” is a modern obsession and about skin color. Hell go watch Gangs of New York , which came out in 2002, and see if the Irish were considered white. This is a tale as old as time. In group, out group. Whiteness isn’t just about your skin color.

I just asked myself then and got the answer, "yes, it's a modern fetish". By using "whiteness" as a disingenuous blanket term for "in-group" a whole range of issues bearing on social dominance are obfuscated: wealth/poverty, caste, tribalism, religion among them.

It's marginally insane that the abuses of any non-pan-European group anywhere in the world get passed over in near-silence in the US. Who cares, for example, (to pick randomly from a long, long list) that in the recent past northerners in Kano, Nigeria went door-to-door seeking out and slaughtering anyone from the wrong region and wrong tribe? You'll never hear of it in US schools, no one cares in the slightest. Apparently only "whites" can be held morally culpable for evil actions of a dominant group.

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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Post by Forgeties79 »

tatrajim wrote: post #981
Forgeties79 wrote: post #977

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ask Polish or Italian Americans if “whiteness” is a modern obsession and about skin color. Hell go watch Gangs of New York , which came out in 2002, and see if the Irish were considered white. This is a tale as old as time. In group, out group. Whiteness isn’t just about your skin color.

I just asked myself then and got the answer, "yes, it's a modern fetish". By using "whiteness" as a disingenuous blanket term for "in-group" a whole range of issues bearing on social dominance are obfuscated: wealth/poverty, caste, tribalism, religion among them. It's marginally insane that the abuses of any non-pan-European group anywhere in the world get passed over in near-silence in the US. Who cares, for example…

I think we are kind of talking at cross purposes here. I agree with you (I think). It is ridiculous and completely artificial/socially constructed. At least that’s what it sounds like you are saying.

The issue is that it happens regardless of how dumb it is. Racism is dumb.

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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Post by Aerbil313 »

komali2 wrote: post #979
busterarm wrote: post #971

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Ted Kacynski's writings were his worldview and what led him to send out a dozen bombs, including one which exploded on an American Airlines flight and luckily did not bring the plane down. His manifesto is his justification for said actions and to advocate becoming a student of it similarly justifies said violence. It's the same self-own as the massive dummies in the last week who were all talking about Osama bin Lad…

Philosophers in general don't have a hard time separating the terrorism of Ted Kaczynski from his philosophy. > James Q. Wilson, in a 1998 New York Times op-ed, wrote: "If it is the work of a madman, then the writings of many political philosophers—Jean Jacques Rousseau, Thomas Paine, Karl Marx—are scarcely more sane." He added: "The Unabomber does not like socialization, technology, leftist political causes or conse…

Agreed. Some people just have corrupt minds disconnected from reality. Seriously I don’t see the point of explaining any more.

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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Post by Aerbil313 »

busterarm wrote: post #971
Aerbil313 wrote: post #967

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Your argument is to not read the ideas of someone because he did something bad? What’s the reason? Are you that gullible that you can’t evaluate them with your own mind and conscience and will start shooting everyone the moment you finish his manifesto?

Ted Kacynski's writings were his worldview and what led him to send out a dozen bombs, including one which exploded on an American Airlines flight and luckily did not bring the plane down. His manifesto is his justification for said actions and to advocate becoming a student of it similarly justifies said violence. It's the same self-own as the massive dummies in the last week who were all talking about Osama bin Lad…

I’m a Muslim and I, by definition, don’t agree with Kaczynski’s idea of use of violence to bring the system down. OTOH I believe all organization-dependent technology[1] is evil and has only harmed humanity, never benefitted. Obviously this presumes a different understanding of harm and benefit, one not as the same as plain pain-avoidance and convenience-seeking which technological system tends to creates a tendency towards in people.

1: A term explained in Ted’s manifesto.

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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Post by tedmiston »

tuppermd wrote: post #952
grogenaut wrote: post #873

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Does openai exist without stack overflow or quora?

Don't you mean: Do Quora or Stack Overflow exist with OpenAI?

What do you mean? Obviously, yes, they have for more than a decade. I don't have many opinions about the former, but how does OpenAI change the relevance of SO?
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