Maybe the LLMs were correct... here is a picture of the car wash:
https://i5.walmartimages.com/seo/Rain-x-Foaming-Car-Wash-Con...
I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?
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Re: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?
#972Earlier quoted context omitted.
> These are far stronger claims than what you write now > unless you really mean “like everything else”, in which case your claim is extremely weak Language responds to changes in context. Books, the printing press, radio, the web, social media, mobile web, all changed how people used language and impacted language. AI is a dramatic new context, with unique properties: 1. It is the first artifact to actively particip…
My not even wrong argument was contingent on the weakest interpretation of your argument, where AI would change the language exactly like anything else in human society changes language. > Changes in how we use language with AI will change even faster when AI starts learning continuously during inference. This is a stronger claim, and shows that the weakest interpretation of your argument does not apply. I take not e…
I suggest that dogs are not a good comparison.
Interaction with language models involves a significant use of language and thought. Is not repetitive. And many users (myself included) continually find new ways to use them.
Others may take their time adopting language models, or be slower to branch out into many kinds of use, but young people in particular will be very fast adopters and adapters. That will be the place to watch.
"Even faster" with respect to inference learning, wasn't an attempt to undersell changes happening now. Teachers are experiencing a lot of new issues with how students respond to the availability of models today. One being the potential for students to put less effort into their own communications. If that continues, it won't just be a "dumbing" of literacy, it will have its own impact on vocabulary and grammar.
But looking forward is unavoidable. Models are not going to stay still long enough to say what stage impacted what changes. Model changes are too fast and fluid.
Well, this era is just getting started, so a diversity of expectations makes sense.
Re: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?
#973Opus 4.6 with extended thinking repeatedly gets this wrong. However, without extended thinking it repeatedly gets it correct.
Re: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?
#974Earlier quoted context omitted.
My not even wrong argument was contingent on the weakest interpretation of your argument, where AI would change the language exactly like anything else in human society changes language. > Changes in how we use language with AI will change even faster when AI starts learning continuously during inference. This is a stronger claim, and shows that the weakest interpretation of your argument does not apply. I take not e…
I suggest that dogs are not a good comparison. Interaction with language models involves a significant use of language and thought. Is not repetitive. And many users (myself included) continually find new ways to use them. Others may take their time adopting language models, or be slower to branch out into many kinds of use, but young people in particular will be very fast adopters and adapters. That will be the plac…
I think you might be underestimating human-to-dog interactions. Interacting with dogs require a whole lot of empathy and thought.
But really this is beyond the point. I didn’t provide dog interactions as an analogy, rather, I provided it as a counter point. We speak differently to dogs then we speak with each other, and have done so for thousands of years. I see no reason why LLM’s would have any more profound effects on our language. We will continue to speak with each other in a normal manner just like before.
Re: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?
#975Earlier quoted context omitted.
I suggest that dogs are not a good comparison. Interaction with language models involves a significant use of language and thought. Is not repetitive. And many users (myself included) continually find new ways to use them. Others may take their time adopting language models, or be slower to branch out into many kinds of use, but young people in particular will be very fast adopters and adapters. That will be the plac…
I think you might be underestimating human-to-dog interactions. Interacting with dogs require a whole lot of empathy and thought. But really this is beyond the point. I didn’t provide dog interactions as an analogy, rather, I provided it as a counter point. We speak differently to dogs then we speak with each other, and have done so for thousands of years. I see no reason why LLM’s would have any more profound effect…
> We will continue to speak with each other in a normal manner just like before.
We may just be operating on different versions of "significant" change. Because I do agree with that statement.
I just think there will be language changes directly tied to adaption/adaption with models in our lives. In addition to the normal drift and adaptation. And that the rate of language change is likely to be faster, both due to interaction with models, and indirectly due to accelerated changes in general.
Re: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?
#976Earlier quoted context omitted.
Or sama is just waiting to premium subscription gate companions in some adult content package as he has hinted something along these lines may be forthcoming. Maybe tie it in with the hardware device Ive is working on. Some sort of hellscape tamogotchi. Recall: "As part of our 'treat adult users like adults' principle, we will allow even more, like erotica for verified adults," Altman wrote in the Oct.
I'm struggling a bit when it comes to wording this with social decorum, but how long do we reckon it takes until there's AI powered adult toys? There's a market opportunity that i do not want to see being fulfilled, ever..
id assume they already exist
if there's porn chat controlled vibrators, nothing would stop somebody from hooking the same up to an AI.
not sure what the real point would be, since its not like it would have timing, but all the pieces already exist
Re: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?
#977Try this:
I want to do a haircut. The barbershop is very far, but my brother lives near the barbershop. Should I go or send him for a faster haircut?
Re: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?
#978I've used LLMs enough that I have a good sense of their _edges_ of intelligence. I had assumed that reasoning models should easily be able to answer this correctly. And indeed, Sonnet and Opus 4.5 (medium reasoning) say the following: Sonnet: Drive - you need to bring your car to the car wash to get it washed! Opus: You'll need to drive — you have to bring the car to the car wash to get it washed! Gemini 3 Pro (mediu…
> so you need to tell them the specifics That is the entire point, right? Us having to specify things that we would never specify when talking to a human. You would not start with "The car is functional. The tank is filled with gas. I have my keys." As soon as we are required to do that for the model to any extend that is a problem and not a detail (regardless that those of us, who are familiar with the matter, do bu…
If a human asked me this question, I would be confused by the question as ambiguous since it suggests something odd is implied but underspecified. I think any confident answer either way by AI is lacking in pedantry.
Re: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?
#979Let there be an object (Car) in st 1 and myself in state 1. let there be a action A (drive to carwash) i can do that puts the object in state 2 and myself in state 2. Action B (Wash the car) can only be correctly performed if object and myself is in state 2. Alternatively there is a action C (walk to carwash) that i can do that does not change the state of the object but changes my state to be in state 2. I want to do B, should I do action A or action C first?
Re: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?
#980Earlier quoted context omitted.
By "patched", you can't mean they added something to the internal prompt to show it how to answer this one specific question?!
Absolutely. There is a preflight guardrail that steers specific words, phrases, concepts with tweaked output.
I've speculated about this myself, but haven't heard anyone actually discuss it or reveal/leak this is the case. Do you have a source for this?