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Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by ExoticPearTree »

cauch wrote: post #963
ExoticPearTree wrote: post #948

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really don’t understand why there are so many people in the US hellbent on doing everything they can to support illegal immigrants.

They are not. They want illegal migrants to be processed and deported if they are illegal. What they are complaining about is the fact that current, people are "marked" as illegal (or fail to be regularised) for arbitrary reasons and the process is not fair. Imagine if you were doing everything correctly as much as you can and still being treated as a thief? It does not give you a fair chance. You can be marked as il…

My point is that all the people being hunted and deported by ICE are the people that crossed the border illegally. And my question was related to that: why is it unfair to deport all the people that basically broke the law as the first thing they did when they stepped onto US soil?

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by duskdozer »

PlanksVariable wrote: post #101
sosomoxie wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I'm against ICE and I don't want any immigrants deported.

Why? Deportation is a reasonable response when a person violates a country’s immigration laws. That is the standard around the world. Alternatively, you have an essentially open border, which obviously can lead to unmanageable waves of immigration that strain a country’s housing, healthcare, schools, welfare, and other resources, among other effects. Disruption to peoples’ lives happens when we have administrations w…

>Disruption to peoples’ lives happens when we have administrations who arbitrarily decide not to enforce the immigration law (e.g. the previous administration).

"US deportations under Biden surpass Trump's record"

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c36e41dx425o

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by egonschiele »

testing22321 wrote: post #265

The US Attorney General also just said they’ll withdraw ICE from Minnesota if they hand over voter registration files. [1] https://www.newsweek.com/pam-bondi-ice-minnesota-shooting-ti... They’re not even hiding the fact this has nothing to do with immigration and everything to do with compiling lists of people to target later.

Not just Minnesota, they've asked all states for voter registration lists and ballots from previous elections. 11 states have complied so far.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/trac...

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by Quarrelsome »

kjellsbells wrote: post #240

FWIW, people here illegally are already not eligible for Medicaid, [0] so it's hard to see why ICE having access to a roster of Medicaid enrollees would help them with their stated mission of enforcing removal orders. Then again, we have ICE shooting American citizens in the streets, so I guess the law is whatever they decide it is, not least because our legislative branch is uninterested in laws. https://www.congres…

bear in mind that ICE are forcibly deporting people in the process of applying for green cards whose lawyers have assured them that a lapsed VISA isn't an issue (it never used to be) as they have married an American citizen and maybe even have children with them.

A robotics engineer from Germany was forcibly deported a few months back because ICE were waiting for him at the immigration office when he went to visit to further the application.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by blurbleblurble »

cthalupa wrote: post #663
josephcsible wrote: post #495

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> FWIW, people here illegally are already not eligible for Medicaid, [0] so it's hard to see why ICE having access to a roster of Medicaid enrollees would help them with their stated mission of enforcing removal orders. Presumably, it's because a lot of them are getting Medicaid despite not being eligible to. Isn't the point of every audit, investigation, etc. to find things that aren't being done correctly?

> Presumably, it's because a lot of them are getting Medicaid despite not being eligible to Why are you presuming this? There is no evidence this is happening in any widespread fashion. > Isn't the point of every audit, investigation, etc. to find things that aren't being done correctly? If it is being honest about it's intention, yes. I think we have seen an absolute mountain of evidence that this administration doe…

Raceumedly

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by arkh »

20after4 wrote: post #944
josephcsible wrote: post #940

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There is no evidence this is happening in any widespread fashion. Isn't the point of this data so that they can uncover exactly that? It'd be silly to say you're not allowed to look for evidence of anything unless you already have evidence of it. Also, the qualifier "in any widespread fashion" is weasel words. It makes me think you already know it is happening, and the only remaining question is to what scale.

How exactly would non-citizens, who do not have social security numbers or other valid identifying documents, receive medicaid? It's difficult enough for qualified people to get it. It would seem fairly difficult to pass the registration process without having a valid SSN. Furthermore, if someone was able to fraudulently sign up - say by using a stolen identity, then wouldn't the data in the system look valid and the…

Isn't identity theft a problem in the US? Especially because something which was not meant to be used as ID is used as one (the SSN)?

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by titzer »

simonw wrote: post #2

Any time I see people say "I don't see why I should care about my privacy, I've got nothing to hide" I think about how badly things can go if the wrong people end up in positions of power. The classic example here is what happens when someone is being stalked by an abusive ex-partner who works in law enforcement and has access to those databases. This ICE stuff is that scaled up to a multi-billion dollar federal agen…

Privacy is one of the first defenses against tyranny.

You can be a target of pressure through no fault of your own. For example, if you were to witness a government official commit a crime.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by Aurornis »

josephcsible wrote: post #495
kjellsbells wrote: post #240

FWIW, people here illegally are already not eligible for Medicaid, [0] so it's hard to see why ICE having access to a roster of Medicaid enrollees would help them with their stated mission of enforcing removal orders. Then again, we have ICE shooting American citizens in the streets, so I guess the law is whatever they decide it is, not least because our legislative branch is uninterested in laws. https://www.congres…

> FWIW, people here illegally are already not eligible for Medicaid, [0] so it's hard to see why ICE having access to a roster of Medicaid enrollees would help them with their stated mission of enforcing removal orders. Presumably, it's because a lot of them are getting Medicaid despite not being eligible to. Isn't the point of every audit, investigation, etc. to find things that aren't being done correctly?

> Presumably, it's because a lot of them are getting Medicaid despite not being eligible to

How would this even work? You can’t just start billing things to Medicaid if you’re ineligible for it. That would be like you deciding to bill United Healthcare for something despite not being a customer. How is this hypothetical fraud supposed to work? What am I missing?

> Isn't the point of every audit, investigation, etc. to find things that aren't being done correctly?

ICE isn’t auditing Medicaid. They’re trying to use records to find people to detain and deport which is an orthogonal dataset.

The only plausible explanation is that they’re using medical records as an additional source of data on people who live in houses that they’re raiding or looking at.

Which is insane. Imagine police rolling up to your front door on suspicion of something and loading up a system which has your medical records.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by titzer »

trimethylpurine wrote: post #375
lemoncookiechip wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not even that big of a leap. We've seen a off-duty ICE agent drunk driving his child, getting stopped by the cops, implied threats to one of the officers for being black with payback, spent the whole time saying "come on man" using his position as a federal officer as a way to get out of trouble, and ends to the point that I wanted to make, complained about his and I quote "bitch ex-wife" for divorcing him. What…

> What is stopping this lowlife Same as with all other crime, we hope it's the law that stops him. We hope that more policemen want to be good men than bad. The illusion of safety is based on the honor system. Society doesn't work without that.

The only thing that changes behavior is consequences.
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