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U.K. orders Apple to let it spy on users’ encrypted accounts

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Re: U.K. orders Apple to let it spy on users’ encrypted accounts

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Post by echelon_musk »

alt227 wrote: post #947
echelon_musk wrote: post #935

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If it was that easy I wouldn't have bothered replying. Why don't you check in the backup and get back to me.

Because I dont own anything Apple, nor anything that doesnt give me full control over my stuff. I assume that instead of educating me on how the backups are in a user unreadable format, you chose to make a snide remark and leave me to guess the truth. Why would anyone trust a backup they cannot read themselves in an emergency?

Why are you commenting if you don't own an Apple device apart from to give yourself an opportunity to preach?

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Post by kurikuri »

matthewdgreen wrote: post #295
Lio wrote: post #273

I don't think the UK government would try to put Apple out of business if they don't comply it's more likely that they would just get heavily fined until they do so. The most likely outcome, I would guess, is that Apple just stop offering Advanced Data Protection as a service in the UK rather than create some kind of backdoor. It's a weak proposition from the government because anyone with something to hide will just…

You're assuming that turning off ADP in the U.K. is sufficient to appease the British Government. The Investigatory Powers Act can also be interpreted to give the U.K. the right to ask for encrypted data from users outside of the U.K. (see Apple making this exact point in a filing here [1].) Turning off ADP in the U.K. doesn't end the controversy if that's what's at stake. [1] https://bsky.app/profile/matthewdgreen.b…

It’s odd, I wonder how that will interact with apple’s existing FIPS 140-2/3 certifications.

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Post by Juliate »

throwawaythekey wrote: post #727
fukawi2 wrote: post #246

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Social media ban for under 16s is the latest half witted idea enacted by the government here.

This week we've had the federal laws strengthend to a one year minimum jail time for nazi salutes. I think saying "punch a nazi" unironically could now also get you a year in jail, but I'm not sure about that one.

Oh, you feel the need to defend nazis?

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Post by lern_too_spel »

isaacremuant wrote: post #970
lern_too_spel wrote: post #942

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> It's not a pet theory when there's proof they have engaged in it through five eyes What proof? You would think after all the leaks there have been, some proof would exist. Instead, you cling to a conspiracy theory based on a misunderstanding of an agreement.

The fact that you immediately went for "conspiracy theory" discredits you more than you think it discredits me. They're all conspiracy theorists when the government is accused of wrongdoing and the "proof" demands and moving goalposts happen all the time. Helped by the lack of transparency and all encompassing powers of agencies and governments. Your arguments boil down to repeating narratives and things like "X is i…

The fact that you fixated on "conspiracy theory" means you don't know what the term means. It means that a large group of people must be working together to make something happen, yet none of them have said anything.

If the Five Eyes participants worked as you have stated instead of as the leaked agreement documents say they work, you would expect Snowden to leak that first because it is obviously illegal. He did not. Why not reduce the number of people required to keep quiet in the conspiracy by having the US spy directly on its citizens? Every question you might ask about your conspiracy theory makes it sound even more ridiculous if you bother to ask it.

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Post by collyw »

mycall wrote: post #859
gessha wrote: post #713

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Given that privacy is why my friends and I have iPhones, Apple will lose a lot of users and developers if they go back on privacy in any way.

Linux based smartphones will sell like crazy at that point.

Android are technically linux based.

I bought the Ubuntu phone. The phone was nice, but there were bareley any apps, and the maps app only worked online, which was useless outside of my home country. A dissapointment overall.

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Post by collyw »

FreeTrade wrote: post #704
trompetenaccoun wrote: post #691

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Yes but no, post WW2 the UK was one of the most liberal places in the world. Somehow things took a turn in the past two decades or so. And then around the 2020s the decline started to rapidly accelerate. The stories that have come out lately are really insane.

Economic decline fuels resentment towards immigrants and minority communities. Government becomes increasingly repressive to keep tensions from boiling over into riots and perhaps worse. This is why countries are obsessed with growth - many things can be papered over with sufficient growth.

250,000 gang rapes are another reason for hostility towards immigrants. As well as the cost.

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Post by collyw »

mig39 wrote: post #962
altairprime wrote: post #498

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As Apple isn’t based in the UK and owes no fealty to their government. I don’t agree that your citation is relevant here. Apple is a US company. Bribing local officials to overlook the gay founder is sensible corporate practices, however uncomfortable that is to consider. Revoking privacy guarantees globally, reversing years of public opinion gains overnight, is not. The UK cannot do anything to materially harm Apple…

> Bribing local officials to overlook the gay founder is sensible corporate practices What does that mean? Who is the gay founder? Of Apple?

I assume he is referring to Tim Cook, who isn't a founder, but he is gay if I remember correctly.

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Post by collyw »

mahkoh wrote: post #343
bilekas wrote: post #231

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> By banning Apple from doing business in the UK. As someone else here said, Apple would 100% call this bluff. And you can be certain the UK won't have the US to put pressure on Apple for them. All the would happen is the UK Apple users would be with an expensive paperweight.

That assumes that Apple's shareholders believe that Apple's privacy reputation (relative to other companies) is more valuable than access to the UK market. All evidence that I have seen suggests that consumers by and large do not care about this kind of privacy. They do not buy iPhones instead of other phones due to the privacy properties. Therefore Apple's shareholders could order Apple to stay in the UK market. And…

Most users don't care about that stuff, but I think a small but significant percentage do. I have never been an Apple fan but I am aware that they are significantly better than Windows and Andorid for security and privacy.

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Post by Aachen »

cbeach wrote: post #300
Aachen wrote: post #136

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In this other comment I read a rather different story about what ReformUK wants https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42971836 Your comment makes it sound like they're all about research, but they also want to ditch human rights and the world health organisation? This conflict of logic makes me think there's probably more to it than just research and doing good in the world. Can it be that they speak of e.g. lockdowns…

Please see this response: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42973646

Thanks for confirming that they're indeed extremist, right in point#1 of that link. "Nothing extreme about disavowing a human rights convention" my ass, lol

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Post by gist »

hackeman300 wrote: post #722
anonym29 wrote: post #720

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Is calling him Tim Apple some sort of inside joke I'm out of the loop on? We don't call Elon "Elon Tesla" or Satya "Satya Microsoft".

The president has called him that on occasion

Probably correct for OP to present as "Tim Apple" (hence giving some kind of hint to reflect on)
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