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Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers
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#972How is my memecoin going? Several billions, sir. Hahahahahaha
Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers
#973Earlier quoted context omitted.
"There are maybe a few hundred people in the world who viscerally understand what's coming. Most are at DeepMind / OpenAI / Anthropic / X but some are on the outside. You have to be able to forecast the aggregate effect of rapid algorithmic improvement, aggressive investment in building RL environments for iterative self-improvement, and many tens of billions already committed to building data centers. Either we're a…
The problem is, they are hugely incentivised to hype to raise funding. It’s not whether they are “wrong”, it’s whether they are being realistic. The argument presented in the quote there is: “everyone in AI foundation companies are putting money into AI, therefore we must be near AGI.” The best evaluation of progress is to use the tools we have. It doesn’t look like we are close to AGI. It looks like amazing NLP with…
>The problem is, they are hugely incentivised to hype to raise funding.
Hype is extremely normal. Everyone with a business gets the chance to hype for the purpose of funding. That alone isn't going to get several of the biggest tech giants in the world to pour billions.
Satya just said, "he has his 80 billion ready". Is Microsoft an "AI foundation company" ? Is Google ? Is Meta ?
The point is the old saying - "Put your money where your mouth is". People can say all sorts of things but what they choose to spend their money on says a whole lot.
And I'm not saying this means the investment is guaranteed to be worth it.
Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers
#974Earlier quoted context omitted.
"There are maybe a few hundred people in the world who viscerally understand what's coming. Most are at DeepMind / OpenAI / Anthropic / X but some are on the outside. You have to be able to forecast the aggregate effect of rapid algorithmic improvement, aggressive investment in building RL environments for iterative self-improvement, and many tens of billions already committed to building data centers. Either we're a…
> there's a tendency here to these these people behind the scenes are all charlatans, fueling hype without equal substance hoping to make a quick buck before it all comes crashing down, but i don't think that's true at all. I think these people really genuinely believe they're going to get there. I don't immediately disagree with you but you just accidentally also described all crypto/NFT enthusiasts of a few years a…
Well Crypto had nowhere near the uptake [0] and investment (even leaving this announcement aside, several of the biggest tech giants are pouring billions into this).
At any rate, I'm not saying this means that all this investment is guaranteed to pay off.
[0] With 300 million weekly active users/1 billion messages per day and #8 in visits worldwide the last few months just 2 years after release, ChatGPT is the software product with the fastest adoption ever.
Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers
#975Apart from my general queasiness about the whole AGI scaling business and the power concentration that comes with it, these are the exact four people/entities that I would not want to be at the tip of said power concentration.
That sentiment calls for reflection - whoever ends up on top of the heap after the AI craze settles down is going to be someone that everyone objects to. Elon Musk was himself an internet darling up until he became wealthy and entrenched. That said, this does look like dreadful policy at the first headline. There is a lot of money going in to AI, adding more money from the US taxpayer is gratuitous. Although in the s…
This seems more like a move designed to frighten China -- or force them to spend money making LLMs -- then an actual threat. The clues are that Trump ceremonially blessed the deal but did not promise money (SoftBank et al will, supposedly), and then Musk said that's all fake because SoftBank doesn't have the money, and Altman countered that Musk should not be butthurt and should put America first. Who does that? I'm thinking, no one who has something real on his hands.
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#976This is so much money with which we could actually solve problems in the world. maybe even stop wars which break out because of scarcity issues. maybe i am getting to old or to friendly to humans, but it's staggering to me how the priorities are for such things.
For less than this same price tag, we could’ve eliminated student loan debt for ~20 million Americans. It would in turn open a myriad number of opportunities, like owning a home and/or feeling more comfortable starting a family. It would stimulate the economy in predictable ways. Instead we gave a small number of people all of this money for a moonshot in a state where they squabble over who’s allowed to use which ba…
Allowing student debts to be included in bankruptcy takes care of most of the issue. Those that were unable to find decent, paying jobs will have a path to relieve the stress of high student loan payments, while those that found high paying jobs will continue paying on the loans from which they received a benefit.
Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers
#977Earlier quoted context omitted.
We are currently witnessing the merging of government and corporations. It was bad before but the process is accelerating now.
there's some pretty good quotes about that by Mussolini. Things are getting bleak at an incredible pace.
Judging by the reactions it seems fascism has become very popular around here too lately.
The original quote I was referring to:
Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power. - Benito Mussolini
Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers
#978This is so much money with which we could actually solve problems in the world. maybe even stop wars which break out because of scarcity issues. maybe i am getting to old or to friendly to humans, but it's staggering to me how the priorities are for such things.
We could do 20 Manhattan projects with it[1]. 1) Build fully autonomous cars so there are zero deaths from car accidents. This is ~45K deaths/year (just US!) and millions of injuries. Annual economic cost of crashes is $340 billion. Worldwide the toll is 10 - 100x? 2) Put solar on top of all highways. 3) Give money to all farmers to put solar. 4) Build transmission. And many more ... The Manhattan Project employed ne…
> 3) Give money to all farmers to put solar.
...on their roofs? Over all their crops? What's the play here?
Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers
#979There's a good amount of irony in the results that AI have achieved, particularly if we reach AGI - they have improved individual worker efficiency by removing other workers from the system. Naming it Stargate implies a reckoning with the actual series itself - an accomplishment by humanity. Instead, what this pushes, is accomplishing the removal of humans from humanity. I like cool shiny tech, but I like useful tech…
A rat done bit my sister Nell, with whitey on the moon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitey_on_the_Moon
A rat done bit my sister Nell, with whitey on the moon.
Her face and arms began to swell, and whitey's on the moon.
I can't pay no doctor bills, but whitey's on the moon.
Ten years from now I'll be payin' still, while whitey's on the moon.
The man just upped my rent last night, cause whitey's on the moon.
No hot water, no toilets, no lights, but whitey's on the moon.
I wonder why he's upping me? Cause whitey's on the moon?
Well I was already giving him fifty a week with whitey on the moon.
Taxes taking my whole damn check, junkies making me a nervous wreck,
the price of food is going up, and as if all that shit wasn't enough:
A rat done bit my sister Nell, with whitey on the moon.
Her face and arm began to swell, and whitey's on the moon.
Was all that money I made last year for whitey on the moon?
How come I ain't got no money here? Hmm! Whitey's on the moon.
Y'know I just 'bout had my fill of whitey on the moon.
I think I'll send these doctor bills
airmail special
to whitey on the moon.
—Gilbert Scott-Heron
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#980Earlier quoted context omitted.
We already tried fixing problems with throwing tax money at them. It didn't work out. You can see the result of socialism in Russia, North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela and where not. Wars do not start because of scarcities. Wars start because of disbalance of power. And it is very important for the Western world to be ahead in the AI, because otherwise China may cause a real war and then a lot of Western people would die.…
Learn the difference between socialism and communism before you spout lies and propaganda.
Socialism is communism in progress. I have actually lived in socialist country, what about you? And lies and propaganda is what Leftists like you do, not me. Funny, you never want to live in the countries where you rule.