It will be interesting to see how AWS responds. Jump on board, or offer up a competing vision otherwise their cloud risks being perceived as being left behind in terms of computing power.
Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers
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#583Earlier quoted context omitted.
We don't really know anything useful that can be done with quantum computers for civilization. They can break some cryptography... other than that... what are they good for? There's some highly speculative ideas about using them for chemistry/biology research, but no guaranteed return on investment at all. As far as I know... that's it.
Who can break crypto with quantum computing? That is total speculation.
Shor’s algorithm can. What is speculative about that?
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#584You have to keep in mind Microsoft is planning on spending almost 100B in datacenter capex this year and they're not alone. This is basically OpenAI matching the major cloud provider's spending. This could also be (at least partly) a reaction to Microsoft threatening to pull OpenAI's cloud credits last year. OpenAI wants to maintain independence and with compute accounting for 25–50% of their expenses (currently) [2]…
Isn't it more likely a reaction to xAI now having the most training compute?
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#585The fact that they plan to start in Texas makes me think that the whole thing is just the biggest pork barrel of all times.
Unlike California, Texas is easy to build in. True for both renewable energy and housing.
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#586Looking forward to transparency about where this capital flows /s
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#587Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's unfair, because we are talking in the hindsight about everything but Project Stargate, and it's also just your list (and I don't know what others could add to it) but it got me thinking. Manhattan Project goal is to make a powerful bomb. Apollo is to get to the Moon before soviets do (so, because of hubris, but still there is a concrete goal). South-North Water Transfer is pretty much terraforming, and others ar…
The goal is Artificial Superintelligence (ASI), based on short clips of the press conference. It has been quite clear for a while we'll shoot past human-level intelligence since we learned how to do test-time compute effectively with RL on LMMs (Large Multimodal Models).
Here we go again... Ok, I'll bite. One last time.
Look, making up a three-letter acronym doesn't make whatever it stands for a real thing. Not even real in a sense "it exists", but real in a sense "it is meaningful". And assigning that acronym to a project doesn't make up a goal.
I'm not claiming that AGI, ASI, AXY or whatever is "impossible" or something. I claim that no one who uses these words has any fucking clue what they mean. A "bomb" is some stuff that explodes. A "road" is some flat enough surface to drive on. But "superintelligence"? There's no good enough definition of "intelligence", let alone "artifical superintelligence". I unironically always thought a calculator is intelligent in a sense, and if it is, then it's also unironically superintelligent, because I cannot multiply 20-digit numbers in my mind. Well, it wasn't exactly "general", but so aren't humans, and it's an outdated acronym anyway.
So it's fun and all when people are "just talking", because making up bullshit is a natural human activity and somebody's profession. But when we are talking about the goal of a project, it implies something specific, measurable… you know, that SMART acronym (since everybody loves acronyms so much).
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#588Wouldn't 500bn into quantum computing show better returns for civilization? Assuming it's about progress and ... not money.
What is quantum computing being used for?
True quantum computing in the sense that most people would imagine it, using individual qubits in an analogous (ish) way to classical computers, has not reached a useful scale. To date only “toy problems” to demonstrate theoretical results have been solved.
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#589This is so much money with which we could actually solve problems in the world. maybe even stop wars which break out because of scarcity issues.
maybe i am getting to old or to friendly to humans, but it's staggering to me how the priorities are for such things.
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#590Any clues to how they plan to invest $500 billion dollars? What infrastructure are they planning that will cost that much?
Reasonably speaking, there is no way they can know how they plan to invest $500 billion dollars. The current generation of large language models basically use all human text thats ever been created for the parameters... not really sure where you go after than using the same tech.
The latest hype is around "agents", everyone will have agents to do things for them. The agents will incidentally collect real-time data on everything everyone uses them for. Presto! Tons of new training data. You are the product.