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PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law
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Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law
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Places with robust systems for shame and conformation to its populace - particularly religious nations - are less civilized and developed than their "shameless" national counterparts. This isn't the only variable, and it's clearly not the determining factor. Push an agenda elsewhere.
Japan would like a word
And I would like to repeat my words:
"[Shame and conformation aren't] the only variable, and it's clearly not the determining factor."
Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law
#973Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think it's perfectly reasonable to say the risk isn't sufficient to justify this kind of action. But how exactly are you measuring the risk in terms of the higher priority risks you mention? I think the danger is people revert to their intuition about what is risky, rather than defining it by an objective measure.
Higher priority risks are things that are easily measurable. A child that does not have food to eat or cannot access healthcare they need because their parents cannot afford it is very obviously bad for the child. Educational opportunities are another thing that's pretty easy to measure. Measuring the negative effects, if any, viewing pornography has on children isn't particularly easy to measure. I would say it's no…
So where do you think the current research on the negative effects of pornography get it wrong?
I’m always a little leery when someone says something like
”I personally don't think there's any case where I think legislation like this is appropriate”
It usually means either someone’s mind is closed to considering new information (I.e., they have a dogmatic position) or their mental model isn’t open to nuance (I.e., they have dichotomous thinking)
Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law
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> Technically speaking, the Quran heavily restricts polygamy in Al-Nisa', 4:3 Al-Nisa 4:3 literally says: > Each man may marry two or three or four but do not exceed this I'm not sure if this counts as a heavy restriction. > [...] or restrict yourself to what your right hands own of slavegirls since these do not have the same rights as wives It also allows having an infinite number of slavegirls.
This is open to interpretation, but the reading I've always heard for this passage is it is intended to restrict polygamy except in the case in which you are marrying orphan girls. "If you fear you might fail to give orphan women their ˹due˺ rights ˹if you were to marry them˺, then marry other women of your choice—two, three, or four. But if you are afraid you will fail to maintain justice, then ˹content yourselves w…
It is indeed open to intepretation, but given the prophet of the said book got married at least 11 times, and he had 9 wives when he died, I tend to interpret it in a different way.
Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law
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> With online porn, the scale and complications doing it put a much bigger burden This could be very easily done at the ISP level for the whole connection. (I'm talking best effort not a perfect implementation) Why not just block all "Adult" content by default and allow the buyer to opt in (both temporarily via password, and permanently). Then it would be a decision each household could easily make about what they wa…
Maybe I'm daft but how would ISPs be able to control it? Solely based on domain name? What about porn intermixed with other content on sites like reddit?
The iPhone already accomplishes this pretty well in my experience. You can go to Screen Time > Content & Privacy Restrictions > Content Restrictions > Web Content > Limit Adult Websites. It blocks everything, including porn subreddits.
I assume they use some kind of regex to do this, and it works.
Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law
#976Earlier quoted context omitted.
The increase of organized crime and the spawning of a giant black market do not seem to be indicators that prohibition "worked". Also, during prohibition it was more efficient to smuggle stronger alcoholic drinks due to the fact that a bottle of whiskey can hold more standard drinks than a bottle of beer (30 ml whiskey ~ 285 ml beer). From what I red in Johann Hari's Chasing the Scream [1], this seemed to contribute…
Muslims have been very successfull in prohibiton of all kinds of drugs and alcohol since 15 centuries. There are clearly more factors at play than what the law says. What do you believe will happen if you drink alcohol in secret, out of range of the eyes of the State? Muslims believe this will still have consequences in afterlife. Atheists don't. Many Christians believe they'll be saved and forgiven by God as long as…
I don't have the data to back this up, but from what I've heard it is not unusual to drink alcohol in some predominantly Muslim countries like Turkey. Despite that, I agree with you that there are definitely more factors at play than just the law.
Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law
#977Earlier quoted context omitted.
The LDS church has prohibited polygamy for well over a century now: https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/polygamy-la... LGBT rights in Utah is also middle of the road among U.S. states. The LDS church also supported the recent Respect for Marriage Act unlike many other conservative Christian organizations. Your other points about climate and economy are extremely generic and not really a strong argument f…
> Consider travelling outside North America for once before making such egregious comparisons again. I've extensively traveled the world, to more than 70 countries, and have spent years of my life living abroad. The United States is far more diverse and heterogeneous than most other countries in the world, contrary to your statements. Some subsets of the US are regionally /very/ homogeneous, however, which is part of…
> Unofficially, polygamy is still widely practiced in Utah as part of the official doctrine of FDLS
Why does all the rationality I come to expect on hacker news go out the window once my religion is being discussed? Or is it I only notice issues when I'm a subject matter expert?
Polygamists are 1% of Utah's population. The decriminalization of polygamy has nothing to do with fundamentalists gaining prominence, and everything to do with helping people escape.
> the words of the Book of Mormon on this topic are literally plainly in black and white.
Not sure what is meant by this. The Book of Mormon plainly states that monogamy is the norm and polygamy, while sometimes allowed, is not standard.
Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law
#978Pornhub reportedly says that rather than requiring identification, it's better to "identify users by their device" - what does that mean? If you're going to require ID, what does it matter how you acquire that ID?
Pornhub is already requiring ID in Louisiana, which has a similar law. But their traffic has gone done significantly because of this.
It seems to be that blocking Utah is a strategic PR move to try and make these kinds of laws unpopular. Lets blame the weirdo Mormons trying to pass strange laws. Nevermind these laws are starting to pop up around the world.
Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law
#979Earlier quoted context omitted.
I recently bought age restricted materials online and had to upload a picture of my photo id with a selfie to a 3rd party verifier. Similar to what crypto currency verification goes through. I think the underlying disagreement/debate is whether or not these initiatives are in good faith. Any implementation of this is going to be imperfect and a motivated person will probably be able to get around this. So the debate,…
Good faith is insufficient for me and what I would expect are a majority of users (not speaking strictly about porn, social media is coming under scrutiny with similar proposed solutions). Many good faith actors experience data breaches, often from internal attacks.
I think it would be difficult to find a majority of people who support minors having unrestricted access to pornography and shock content. The sticking point seems to be in the implementation details and true intentions of the people behind the initiatives that gives people pause.
Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law
#980It makes no sense to me that every physical store in a state must check IDs if you want to buy porn or alcohol, but porn websites can just let anyone in without checking ID. There are legitimate privacy concerns with checking ID online, but I think it’s way past time that the government does something to restrict the supply of porn to minors via the internet. The same with social media. The evidence that social media…
>It makes no sense to me that every physical store in a state must check IDs if you want to buy porn or alcohol, but porn websites can just let anyone in without checking ID. So.. what, you have to enter a license number or a picture of a license to let people into a porn website? How does that prove anything other than someone has access to a license number/picture? >There are legitimate privacy concerns with checki…
> So.. what, you have to enter a license number or a picture of a license to let people into a porn website? How does that prove anything other than someone has access to a license number/picture?
This is such a common argument for any new type of law. Yes, it turns out, you can try and commit fraud and break the law, and then you will be held accountable for it.
Banks also have to verify who you are before doing business with you. People are free to try and misrepresent who they are in order to gain access to financial services illegally.