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Post by ergocoder »

shadowgovt wrote: post #512
mikkergp wrote: post #7

This sort of justifies the viewpoint that despite all his bluster, Elon will probably run Twitter the way a "reasonable executive" would. Not just release the hounds. Keep the advertisers happy, but try to reduce the reliance on advertisers. Keep moderating content to reduce abuse, maybe eliminate the high profile banning but a person on the ground will have largely the same experience. (probably less action on more…

I don't see anything in Elon Musk's past operation of businesses as CEO that suggests to me he's going to have a better sense of how to run a social network than the previous operators. I predict the best case scenario is that he does no worse.

Many Twitter employees think Elon Musk can do better, especially with bolder decisions on obvious things. Source: several friends working there.

1. Spams and bots are rampant. Now I understand it's hard, but eliminating the obvious ones is not hard. A verified account impersonating people and selling crypto is just insane.

2. I used to ask for verification and get this. Twitter doesn't agree with verifying myself. What is this idiotic policy? I am myself.

3. People should allow to tweet as long as it's not illegal, especially from high profile accounts. Moderation might not go away, but it should be minimal.

My opinion is that, if twitter enables widespread verification where a lot more people can be verified, twitter's convo will get 10x better (e.g. now they can rank replies, people will act more reasonably).

Re: “Twitter will be forming a content moderation council with diverse viewpoints”

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Post by ergocoder »

praptak wrote: post #919

Free speech absolutism, eh? It only sounds good until the reality hits. There already exist platforms which have it. Twitter becoming one of them is not compatible with keeping ad revenue (and probably carries legal risks on top of that).

> Free speech absolutism, eh? It only sounds good until the reality hits.

Musk already said that it couldn't be free for all. Of course, it should be removed if it is against the laws. But moderation should be minimum or less than what it is today.

But you don't seem to care; you parrot misconception which is akin to fake news, which I thought we didn't like.

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Post by ergocoder »

krapp wrote: post #337
rhaway84773 wrote: post #319

So he’s not a free speech absolutist.

Never has been.

Musk already insists that tweets that violate laws would be removed. But content moderation should be less than what it is today or minimal.

Everyone else: "Musk is all for free speech. You can say anything even things that break the laws"

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Post by ergocoder »

nemo44x wrote: post #470
wexomania wrote: post #455

I wonder who will decide what diverse viewpoints means exactly.

Yes - the boundaries on it. I’m sure the most woke collective believes they are diverse. So what does diverse mean? What’s included in that? Far left anarchists? Far right fascists? Do Furries get a voice in the council?

I don't think it's that hard.

The laws are the boundaries of it.

Then, you form the council but err on the side of not banning.

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Post by ergocoder »

koonsolo wrote: post #418

The real question is what will happen to this account: https://twitter.com/ElonJet

Well, Twitter is a private company and can ban whomever they want... according to the trump banning situation back then.

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Post by beezlewax »

polski-g wrote: post #938
beezlewax wrote: post #887

I can't help but think this model will lead to over-representation of fanatical or fringe viewpoints.

Gay marriage is a fringe view point. Interracial marriage is a fringe viewpoint. Women voting is a fringe viewpoint. Abolishing slavery is a fringe viewpoint. Every social progress that has ever occurred started out as a fringe viewpoint.

We had a referendum in Ireland on gay marriage. Over 62% of voters voted in favour of a constitutional change to allow it with a turnout of 61%. Hardly fringe to us. You're correct though it did start out that way.

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Post by christophilus »

vkou wrote: post #852
christophilus wrote: post #627

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. The extremes have gotten crazier. Hence the thought that civil war or at least a really nasty escalation could happen.

No, they haven't. The left used to have people like the Weathermen, the civil rights movement used to have the Black Panthers. Nowadays, there aren't any groups with their reach or methods, whereas their equivalents on the right have exploded in popularity, mindshare, and political reach. That explosion is what made Jan 6th possible two years ago, and what will give legs to the next try.

In my lifetime, no one on the left tried to assassinate a conservative Supreme Court justice until the last few years. It’s gotten more extreme.

The left might not be as crazy as they were in the 60s or whatever, but things are more heated today than at any point in my 30 year memory.

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Post by thekashifmalik »

kumarvvr wrote: post #778
robomartin wrote: post #746

The hatred exhibited in all these Twitter-related threads, both here and elsewhere is truly something to behold. In a free society everyone should be for the protection of free speech. Note that this does not mean unmitigated slinging of fecal matter. It does, however, mean that platforms with significant reach should not be engaged in explicitly favoring one side or another. They need to enabled open and "color blin…

Protection of free speech, its intent atleast, is to protect citizens from governments. Not to give citizens a free for all tongue wagging that can harm others or incite violence. Free speech is to be used against tyrannical governments. If someone is saying "jews are vermin", they absolutely have to be gagged.

> Protection of free speech, its intent atleast, is to protect citizens from governments.

I believe you are describing the 1st amendment.

Freedom of speech exists as a philosophical concept outside of the 1st amendment. The 1st amendment is simply the application of that concept to the American constitution.

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Post by hairofadog »

incomingpain wrote: post #955
hairofadog wrote: post #572

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From inside I feel pretty certain that the Republicans will win decisively. The economy, inflation, and general stress levels are just too high right now for the party in power to stay in office. Not the outcome I'm hoping for, but the world is feeling pretty bitey lately. Here's a pretty good podcast on the topic, if you're interested: https://slate.com/podcasts/political-gabfest/2022/10/democra...

>From inside I feel pretty certain that the Republicans will win decisively. The economy, inflation, and general stress levels are just too high right now for the party in power to stay in office. Not the outcome I'm hoping for, but the world is feeling pretty bitey lately. So lets say the republicans win decisively as you predict. What does that mean, what do you think the populus is telling the democrats? Is it the…

I don't know what link you’re referring to, but I think it just means that people are afraid they won’t be able to afford food, gas, or rent, and they think voting for the other party will somehow fix it. I definitely don’t think it has to do with bogus claims of a stolen election for anyone but people on the fringe.

What do you think it means?

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Post by pixl97 »

robertlagrant wrote: post #970
pixl97 wrote: post #561

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Some guy in Russia told all the white men to rise up and kill all the jews and blacks" The police "again, that's the 23rd time today" This kinda breaks down at the global scale. I can call for violent acts at your front door from a continent away with impunity.

The main issue is violent acts, not the call for them. Whoever does something violent will not do so with impunity.

See, when you live a privileged and safe life these are some of the lies you believe. You are protected by your position in wealth, race, and maybe location. You're not black, or Jewish, or a unionist, and its all a big surprise when the angry mob does come for you. You yell "this is against the law!" And then only realize the person posting the hateful redeoric online was the officer that should be protecting you.

The fascists call for violence is always a joke to them, until the moment it is not.

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